XP Pro and Win 98 Peer To Peer Network

[Saoude]

have a problem with my Home-Office network since I have added 2 new computers running Window XP Pro.

The network was running using Windows 98 in a peer to peer connexion using the Workgroup function including an ADSL Internet Router Olitec SX 200

Since I have added a Laptop computer with XP Pro and 98 Desktop with XP Pro computer, I cannot see these new machines on the network
Still I see the 2 computers with Win 98 .

The Internet connexion still work OK on all Win 98 stations.

I have use automatic assignment of IP address and it is the same than if I fix the IP in the range of 192.168.0.xxx
I have removed all FireWall protections, it is still the same.

The network cards on the new systems appears to work, as far as we can tell.

If I go to Command and type Net View, I can see all the computers connected, including the Desktop-PTW-FR and Laptop-PTW-FR which are my computer with XP Pro.

I have fixed the IP of the Desktop at 192.168.0.243 (or other in the same range) and if I Ping it from Win 98 , I do not get any reply.

If I ping the DeskTop-PTW-Fr computer IP address from this computer, I get a reply, showing I believe that the network card are OK .


Any idea coming from the Expert ?

Thanks and Best Regards.

Patrick Gouardo
F-91620 La Ville du Bois

[DallasDon]

did you enable file sharing on the new comps, then share at least one folder on each comp?

All comps have the same workgroup name?

Think the info is in "help and support center" under networking.

[BipolarBill]

Yes - the default workgroup name in XP is MSHOME and doesn't jibe with the default Win98 name (WORKGROUP).

Another point to make is that WinXP has real security. It will not let unknown users connect to it. You should add the users and passwords from the Win98 machines to the WinXP user base - or log on to all three with the WinXP credentials.

Don't forget that WinXp has a firewall. You may need to disable it. It's in the advanced properties for TCP/IP.

[John Prophet]

Yes, the main issue will be the name of the workgroup.

Change the name of the XP workgroup from "mshome" to "workgroup"...right click on my computer to change the name.

Another problem I had once....took a while to figure it out..was that XP does NOT like spaces in computer names....so the W98 machine names may have to be changed...for instance in the problem I was having the xp machine had problems with "joe's comp" but it was fine and dandy with "joe'sbox" ....the one little space was messing it up.

[Saoude]

Hello,

Thanks to all you have reply.

I have made little progress in the installation but still need help.

I have the use workgroup name WORKGROUP for all the machine.

The actual status is as follow /

A) I use automatic assigment of IP address.

B) The Desktop computer running on WIN 98 , if i run IPCONFIG give me the following info for the network card:

IP Address : 192.168.0.245
Mask : 255.255.255.0
"Passerelle" by default : 192.168.0.250

C) The Laptop Computer Dell running Win XP Pro give me the
following info :

IP Address : 192.168.0.243
Mask : 255.255.255.0
"Passerelle" by default : 192.168.0.250

This Laptop work OK now and I can see it from the Win 98 Desktop and transfer file in both direction.
It work because the software is pre installed by Dell and it is easier.

D) The Desktop run Win XP Pro is still giving me problem .
This is the info I get about the Ip configuration:

IP Address : 169.254.174.75
Mask : 255.255.0.0
"Passerelle" by default : Nothing is given.

From the Laptop XP or the other desktop Win 98, If I ping the above given IP I do not get anything and I believe it is normal because the IP adress are too different.


So why the system automatically give an IP adress which is so different than for the other computer ?

How to force the system to give an IP address in the correct range.

Now, on the XP Pro Desktop, if I fix the IP address to

IP Address: 192.168.0.240
Mask : 255.255.255.0
"Passerelle" by default : 192.168.0.250

Mask :

[BipolarBill]

It seems that the connection to the laptop is not working because it's using APIPA:

http://networking.webopedia.com/TERM/A/APIPA.html

In other words, the DHCP server is not seeing the laptop. Check the cable to be sure it's not a crossover cable. You need a standard patch cable from the router. If that's OK, be sure that the router's DHCP scope (range) allows for another connection.

Lastly, try assigning a manual IP - 192.168.0.246 | 255.255.255.0

[Saoude]

Hello,

Sorry, I did not finish my text and I miss send my message.

Thanks to all of you who have reply to my questions, it help.

I have made little progress in the installation but still need help.

I have the use workgroup name WORKGROUP for all the machine.

The actual status is as follow :

A) I use automatic assigment of IP address.

B) The Desktop computer running on WIN 98 , if I run IPCONFIG, it give me the following info for the network card:

IP Address : 192.168.0.245
Mask : 255.255.255.0
"Passerelle" by default : 192.168.0.250

C) The Dell Laptop Computer running Win XP Pro give me the
following info :

IP Address : 192.168.0.243
Mask : 255.255.255.0
"Passerelle" by default : 192.168.0.250

This Laptop work OK now and I can see it from the Win 98 Desktop and transfer file in both directions.

It work because the software is pre installed by Dell and it is easier I believe.

D) The Desktop run Win XP Pro is still giving me problem .

This is the info I get about the IP configuration:

IP Address : 169.254.174.75
Mask : 255.255.0.0
"Passerelle" by default : Nothing is given.

From the Laptop XP or the other desktop with Win 98, If I ping the above given IP, I do not get any reply and I believe it is normal because the IP adress is too different.

Is that the right reason ?

So why the system automatically give an IP adress which is so different than for the other computers ?

How to force the system to give an IP address in the correct range?

Now, on the XP Pro Desktop, if I fix the IP address to

IP Address : 192.168.0.240
Mask : 255.255.255.0
"Passerelle" by default : 192.168.0.250

Reboot and try again to see it and same result.

But I can see the 3 computers of the network when running Net View with the folling name :

\\desktop-ptw-fr (Desktop with XP Pro)
\\laptop-ptw-fr (Laptop with XP Pro)
\\pat hd-20 (Desktop with Win 98)

Now if I Ping it from the Laptop XP-Pro or the Destop with Win 98
I do not get any proper reply and it is the same result than with auto IP address.

I have made sure I share the disk drive and file on the XP Pro desktop.

Any suggestion on this problem ?

Another question and remark.
I switch off the Desktop with XP Pro and run Net View and I still see \\desktop-ptw-fr (Desktop with XP Pro)

Why as the computer is Off ?.
How often the info are updated and are they updated ?


Thanks for your help.

Patrick.
F-91620 La Ville du Bois.

[BipolarBill]

Originally posted by Saoude
\\desktop-ptw-fr (Desktop with XP Pro)
\\laptop-ptw-fr (Laptop with XP Pro)
\\pat hd-20 (Desktop with Win 98)

John Prophet already warned you that Xp does not like spaces in the names of networked PCs. "pat hd-20" is not a legitimate name.

I've already told you that the router cannot see the laptop. Something is either wrong with the connection or the router is not set up properly.

You are repeating yourself. Please respond to all suggestions and edit out what you repeated.

[Saoude]

Hello,

Thanks for your reply and help.

Sorry for sending my message a second time, it is a mistake, obviously, I am not perfect !

I have try the suggestion about APIPA and have changed the line from 0 to 1, rebooted and try again with no result.

I have check with the Dell Laptop with XP Pro and this line is set to 0.

Now, cable is OK, I had before a computer with Win 98 and I had no problem.

In place of the Destop with XP Pro, I have installed the Laptop and it work OK on this cable.

So the cable or the router are not causing this problem.

I am open to suggestion.


Thanks for your help.

Best Regards.

Patrick.
F-91620 La Ville du Bois.

[BipolarBill]

Many routers are set up to only provide IP addresses to a set number of PCs. Check the router's setup to see if you need to increase the number of DHCP clients.