Well, i know the 5200 has been downplayed, but did some research today and and I flashed the bios from the Gainward site using it's easy program it provides and also used the correct drivers for the 5200 FX....previously I downloaded the current drivers from NVidea, but found out that i needed to use the lower version drivers for this card and it makes difference in benchmarking. Granted 3d 2003 still doesn't benchmark well, but the 2001 se version benchmarks well around 6000. So for what i use it for, i am happy with it. "price wise also"