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i went through some pretty detailed benchmarks from korea, china, and other asian countries, turns out rather odd...
there seem to be 3 major brands, and 2 of them are really very bad. one of them is able to tag along with the 9800np quite well, but the other two were very comparable to a +10% 9600pro.
im sorry i can't provide better information but from what i understand is this: the 9800 SE has 4 pipelines and is built on the 9800 core, but the 9800 non pro is just a lower clocked 9800pro with 8 pipelines.
the SE is quite crippled and not worth it IMO. im waiting to see what the 9600XT can offer because ATI claims it to be the replacement of the 9700pro for only 200 bucks... only time will tell
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