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Old 09-29-2003, 12:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ACkum! CPU overheating, and won't boot up

First off, here is my system:
Just built it on the 25th. All BRAND new parts!

Amd Xp 2500+
Gigabyte mobo- GA-7vt600(-L)
512 mb RAM
Radeon 9600 Pro
80gb hd

problem #1:

My CPU is overheating. It is running at 72C when pushed to the limit with video games, and at idle it is about 60-62C. The system temp is about 40-45C. I bought it at a local store, and they insisted on installing the CPU onto the mobo with the heatsink and fan. Waiting on an E-mail from them about this.

Problem #2:

When I shut down WindowsXP it won't start up by clicking the power button. I have to disconnect the power cord and switch off the power button on the back. Then I plug it back in and switch it on. Only THEN will it turn on.. Never had this happen with any computer.

These are ALL new parts accept for the DVD drive. Including the Case.....

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For the overheating problem:

What HSF are you using? Make sure it's rated to handle the barton 2500+. If so, verify that it's installed properly, in the correct orientation and with thermal compound.

Do you have any case fans? Modern CPUs get very hot and benefit greatly from installing a case fan near the CPU.

For the no-boot problem:

Make sure all the power cables are fully seated on the mobo.

Check and see if you're power supply is AMD approved and at least 300W, preferably more. If you don't know if it's AMD approved, post the brand name here and we can tell you.

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Old 09-29-2003, 12:24 AM   #3 (permalink)
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A glance, AMD usually have overheating problems

Here's a few tips of what I have learned:
Buy a fan and heat-sink combo. (Absolutely required!)
Use heat-sink compound to improve heat transfer (available at Radio Shack; Cat. No. 276-1372). I cannot overstress to you how important this is. Just because you have a heat sink sitting on top of your CPU doesn't mean that the heat from the CPU is efficiently being transferred into the heatsink! If it isn't the CPU will not be as cool as it could be.
Buy a Peltier Cooler or similar refridgeration unit.

Or drop by here http://www.pcpowercooling.com/
Plenty of information of what to do for your computer.

For the #2, it could be your power supply box. Your computer could've have taken a lot of juice to turn things ON. Your specs is high and that could be a part of the reason why. I'm pondering ok?
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Food

More to add:

The Problem...

If the CPU is *not* kept cool,

A.) The system could freeze up, become generally unstable, give strange errors, and even cause date to become corrupted.

B.) Shorten the Life of the Chip (not that the life of a typical chip is that long in a time when upgrades generally come every 6-12 months
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Old 09-29-2003, 12:40 AM   #5 (permalink)
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THe power supply is an Enermax 330w.

I have been having freeze ups, and it takes FOREVER for Winxp to start up. Something like 4 minutes before I can pop open Explorer.

I am not sure what HS I am using, or if there is even Thermal paste on it. When I purchased it they insisted on installing the CPU+hs+fan+memory. I E-mailed them a second ago with teh problem, but they won't get back to me tomorrow(if not I call them). Would they have installed it without Artic silver or something? I know the fan and HS are AMD approved though....

Guess I'll have to wait till tomorrow on the heating problem.

The power thing is wierd though. I have everything plugged in I am supposed to. Maybe I put a - where a + and vice versa? Would it even boot if I did that?
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According to your case, I really hate encouraging you to buy stuff, but you could have an Automatic Voltage Regulator or well-known as AVR. Over here at my place, its cheap. I don't know about in the US.
Its just a suggestion. Currently using a SmartPower AVR. AVR Plus combines the TBF™ Power Filtration technology with that of the Automatic Voltage Regulator (AVR) -- with results that protect your color copier, MFP and computerized operations. Even when the power line voltage goes lower than 18% or higher than 13% of the Nominal Input Voltage, your equipment operations are protected against 97% of these power problems.

AVR Plus also comes in a special model- 220V In / 120V Out that allows you to export your equipment anywhere with a 220V powerline. It would save you up a little bit of possible problems in the future.
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Re: ACkum! CPU overheating, and won't boot up

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Originally posted by oldi1knoby
...problem #1:
My CPU is overheating. It is running at 72C when pushed to the limit with video games, and at idle it is about 60-62C. The system temp is about 40-45C. I bought it at a local store, and they insisted on installing the CPU onto the mobo with the heatsink and fan. Waiting on an E-mail from them about this.

Problem #2:
When I shut down WindowsXP it won't start up by clicking the power button. I have to disconnect the power cord and switch off the power button on the back. Then I plug it back in and switch it on. Only THEN will it turn on.. Never had this happen with any computer....
Re Problem #1, your system temps of 40-45°C are quite high... assuming you have your system located in a room where the ambient temp is around 20-25°C, you system/case temps should stay below 30°C. Better case ventillation would definitely help.

Your figures show that at 100% CPU load, your CPU temp is anywhere from 27 to 32°C over system/case temps, and your idle temps are roughly 15-22°C over system/case... this is about what you can expect from the included retail HS/fan that comes with the Barton 2500, especially since the shop that assembled your CPU/motherboard almost certainly used the included thermal tape arther than a good thermal paste like Arctic Silver-III.

Even the best air-cooled HS/fan combos can't work miracles, you need to lower your case temps. As an experiment, remove your side panel and blow air into the open case using a box fan, and see what kind of system and CPU temps you get. If you see dramatic improvement, come back and post your findings and you'll get all kinds of advice on how to improve case ventillation.

Are you currently, or planning in the future, to overclock your CPU? If so, improved case cooling AND a better HS/fan combo, plus thermal paste rather than tape, will be required.

Re Problem #2, Your Enermax PS is a good brand, and the 330V should be more than adequate. In addition to checking out loose connections like others have suggested, things to check out include:
- In BIOS, do you have any 'Stop on XXX error' enabled? How about in your 'PC Health' section of BIOS... any kind of 'Stop' on 'problem' enabled (like low CPU fan speed)?
- Do you have a NIC installed? If so, is WOL (Wake-On-LAN) enabled in BIOS? If so, try disabling.
- Check your CPU vCore (voltage going to CPU) while in BIOS, make sure it is at 1.65v (for a Barton, non-overclocked).
- Perhaps the 'power,' or 'reset' connectors between the case on/off switch and the motherboard are installed reversed.... you can try changing one at a time, then boot and see what happens.
- The real slow bootup you mention in a later post.... is the hard drive light on all during this time? Perhaps the hard drive is being accessed in in 'compatability mode' rather than DMA or Ultra DMA mode? You can check this while booting up (in BIOS) or while in Windows Control Panel... System... Hardware... IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers... Properties.
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Try running with your case fan off and a desk fan blowing into the computer. If that cools thing down then you know you need to improve your case ventilation.
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Even the best air-cooled HS/fan combos can't work miracles, you need to lower your case temps. As an experiment, remove your side panel and blow air into the open case using a box fan, and see what kind of system and CPU temps you get. If you see dramatic improvement, come back and post your findings and you'll get all kinds of advice on how to improve case ventillation.
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Try running with your case fan off and a desk fan blowing into the computer. If that cools thing down then you know you need to improve your case ventilation.
Seems we have an echo in here
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I talked to the guys who sold it to me, and they agreed the case temp was too high. So, I got 2 more fans. The case temp has Dropped to 35C, but the CPU temp has stayed the same. That ddoesn't seem right...
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