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Old 12-29-2001, 08:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Errr..Can he come here to fix my computer ?
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Old 12-29-2001, 08:55 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Nice to know that I am pretty much where everyone else is -

doesn't matter where you are - the rules are the same- wiz
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Old 12-29-2001, 09:39 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I tried this at one point in life, but my second customer was a very problematic customer.

Insisted that his 486DX66 can run anything, even with a 200Mb HD, He would call with, "I keep getting this problem, I turn on my computer and it says Keyboard Error" I go all the way there expecting it to be a keyboard problem, turn it on to see keyboard STUCK failure. press the key that was stuck, it pops up, hit F1 and away it goes. I was very annoyed by this, I don't mind working on others machines, but I'm not going to be there to teach them how to use thier computer. He expected everything to be easy, and what he was asking to do wasn't.

Any other people I deal with now are mostly at work, but problems are few and far between, I turn down most jobs that come up even ones at 45$/hour, it's not worth my free time to be aggrivated even by one of these customers, calls everyother day when I get home from work asking me how to do this, how to do that, I Think he's a bit worse then a problem customer, he's an ignorant customer, one that assumes that everything a computer does is automated and it can read your mind........

The moral, tell people you can help with hardware, but stay away from software support. it's really not worth the aggrivation.
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Old 12-29-2001, 09:53 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Jeez, what can I add (I'm sure I'll think of something).

Doc, wizofid and shahani all have given great advice, as always .

I started up my SMALL shop a year ago. I have made probably every wrong business desicion since so that it with a grain of salt.

My business has been primarily word of mouth and a small ad in the local weekly paper (when I remember to put it in). . I live in a tiny town but have found that the word of mouth has brought me business all the way into Albany (an hour and a half away).

I always make house calls. When a customer calls with a problem and I get a feel for what it is, I set up an appointment to take a look-see. I charge $30 for a house call - flat rate. I waive that fee if I fix the problem in 15 minutes or less. I do this because when these people are ready for a new computer or upgrade, they usually call me.

I try my best not to charge by the hour for anything other than instruction (everyone has thier own learning curve ). By the time I get called most of the computers need a format and I explain it to the customer up-front that the fee that I charge for it is $150. At first they may balk at the price but I explain to them what that entails - data backup, format, reinstall Windoze, all thier extra software, internet connections, all the tweaking that I do to the o/s, etc. I then set them up with a loaner computer for a day so they can e-mail all thier buddy's, chat, whathaveyou and return thier computer within a day. I also make it a habit of Ghosting the drive before I return it in case they call again in the furture to save them $150 .

Up front I tell anyone that if they have AOL installed (or ever have) on thier machine, I charge double than what I normally would i.e. $60 for a house call. I don't get a whole lot of AOL business anymore as they don't have a local dial-up number in our area. When I do get them it's after the customer installed it and used it for the free 700 hours and get next months telephone bill for $400 . I have been trying to avoid repair for the most part and do it when needed.

I gear my business to custom built computers. This is where I have made a whole lot of mistakes. If you want to go this route, request at least half down of the quoted price with the balance due at delivery. I have 5 brand new computers collecting dust in the boxes from orders that people placed and then decided to wait for whatever reason . You really don't want that kind of inventory on-hand (something like 5 grand). This also includes people that you have already built systems for before - I learned that just this week. A doctor in Tampa that I built a computer for last winter call me up and wanted me to order him up a laptop for his wife. It was perfect timing as I was ordering up 3 other ones. I took him at his word, ordered it up and when I got to Tampa last week he said that his wife didn't want a laptop. I won't even put that mad face after that as it doesn't really relay how I feel.

Problem customers are (IMO) the ones that you build them a computer and then they feel as if they can get free tech support via the phone for a lifetime. When I first started, I offered free tech support for 30 days. I don't even do that anymore. It's amazing that people will call at 12am to ask what "error 404" means, ect. On my answering machine it states that if you are calling with a technical problem, please note that Byte ME Computers charges $25 per hour or incident, whichever is the lesser amount for phone technical support. I would (and have) charged my own mother that. I don't do this part time - this is my living so they need to understand that.

I think that the reason I do pretty good at this is personality. People like to laugh and I'm pretty good at it. When I get most calls, the customer is pretty stressed that thier computer won't boot, etc. I tell them not to worry. They like confidence and are pretty relieved when all it was is a bad battery (which is free of charge)...........I just wish it was always that easy .

Finally, I DO mark up some of the parts. I buy 98% of my computer parts on-line. I have a working knowledge of what memory (installed for free), video cards, etc., are currently being sold in the stores and by my local competition and always charge a whole lot less while still making a profit. A local competitor just charged a freind of the family $350 for a 20GB slave drive install - amazing that they paid that (they deserved it for not calling me )

'kay, I'll shutup

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Old 12-29-2001, 09:54 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Ive a friend who does repair as a part time thing, we have the same career, different part time things. He only builds using quality parts, he says about overclocking " if you want a faster one, go buy a faster one. About compressing a drive " If you want more space ,go buy a bigger HD." He's kind of jaded but as he says " I got tired of working on crap!"
I would keep some parts on hand, mice , medium price cards , ram. You might find it will save you some running around.
I do appliance repair as a part time business and keep a parts inventory, it is cheaper for me to keep parts on the truck than to spend my time driving back and forth to get the same part that I KNOW I am going to use .
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Old 12-29-2001, 10:41 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Sorry, I did not read all of the above posts.

I would recommend doing what I made the mistake of neglecting. Read up on how to run a business. It's much more than just the obvious computer work and customer service.

You need to stay organized with all your paperwork, tax forms, and receipts for: purchases, advertising, other expenses, etc. This was one of the things that led to my disenchantment with the whole thing; it just wasn't as fun as doing work for family and friends.

Get all the info you can from SBA (U.S. Small Business Administration). They will help you out with literature and workshops that can really help. This was a step I wish I had not skipped.

I don't want to discourage you in any way; you may have a completely different experience than mine. I'm even considering getting back into it and filling in all the gaps I missed the first time.
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Old 12-29-2001, 12:06 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I like Richard Cranium's policy on old computers, that's pretty smart. There's just no sense in a person dropping money on a ancient machine when a complete system could be built for a little more. And who wants to be responsible for finding problems on an old system with intermittant problems.

I've run a small buisness in the past, and I have no particular zeal for doing it again. So one of my primary goals is keeping things as simple as possible. It's not the work that gets to ya, it's all the crap that comes along with owning a buisness.

Anyone else want to chime in on pricing?
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Old 12-29-2001, 12:11 PM   #18 (permalink)
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At the Hewlett Packard Fourm in 1998 I posted this after reading all the stupid questions that the technicians were bombarded with;

" It is no more the duty of Hewlett Packard to teach the end user how to operate a computer than it is the responsibility of General Motors to teach a car buyer how to DRIVE "

This was met with more than a few agreements


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Avoid 1st time computer owners. When prudent.

I send them to www.dell.com
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Old 12-29-2001, 12:34 PM   #19 (permalink)
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thanks doc!

I forgot about the old machines - I'll play with them for myself but for paying customers- I take thier needs verses what is out there - p233's and the like are great and a cheap build - especially for those who just need to browse and email - not really power users. -- or gamers. and usually you can pick parts out of what they bring in to go with.

And thanks for the idea of the loaner - my mechanic always has a loaner - for me - so why not a loaner machine. cheap to keep around and keeps them happy -

and yes - if the customer wants to tell you how to do it - politely recommend that they go find a good tech site and read and do - they usually will only chew the fat so long -

To the gentleman on reinstalls that is a great idea - and a good price scale too - given the pits sometimes -

business - yes - but if it is a hobby - make sure you keep in mind what you want to accomplish with it.

great ideas - wiz

Just finished my own build . no smoke!

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Old 12-29-2001, 05:42 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I was thinking of doing this next year too.. What tools do you recommend taking with you.. screwdriver, OS cds, boot floppy, antivirus software, diag tools, external hdd? Also, does anyone know what the tax laws are on this type of business?

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