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Old 07-28-2003, 08:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Need advice on building 1st system

Hi all, first off I have a $700 budget to work with. Right now I have a HP amd k6 333. I've put in a hard drive, cdrw and a video card. But beyound that I'm clueless. Now I'm ready to build my first computer. I've read a few threads and have just about deceided on the amd 2500 barton, but beyound that I need help. I mostly play games, surf the net and do minor paperwork. Wife says something other than gray would be nice. Any help and suggestions would be appreciated.

Sorry forgot to mention I have a monitor, speakers,keyboard and mouse that doesn't need to be figured into budget.


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Old 07-28-2003, 09:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome to TechIMO!!!!!!!

The first thing you probably want to do is a little research on how to build a computer. (Do a google search and you'll find many good references.)

The next thing you need to do is pick your components. The 2500 Barton is a good choice to start with, but picking a motherboard will be a bit harder. There's tons of good ones out there, and everybody has a different opinion on which one is best. Again, do some online research as to which boards have the features you need as well as a good reputation for quality and a reasonable price.

Another tough choice will be a video card. You said you do some gaming, but your budget doesn't allow for a high end gaming card. You should probably look at something in the GeForce 4 or Radeon 9600 range - those would give decent performance without breaking your budget.

As for getting something other than gray - check out some of the online retailers like Newegg.com. You can get cases in every combination of colors imaginable.

As your research progresses, you'll surely have some more specific questions - be sure to ask them here & you should be able to get good answers.
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Asus A7N8X (Think thats what its called) is a very popular board that I hear about all the time

I myself got a MSI K7N2G motherboard and love it
You could get 256 or 512 MB PC2700 memory with that barton and be fairly well set.. lean towards 512 if you're on Windows XP

If you're into gaming you'll want a decent vid card.. you can get a MSI GeForce4 4200 for around a hundred bucks ..
The case.. look around see what ya like!

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If you want to go with a Barton, then the No. 1 board for AMD Bartons and TBreds is one that uses the nForce2 chipset. There are many out there, and the performance amongst them is very similar. What differentiates them is varying features.

You may want to take a look at "nForce2 shootouts" where a website takes 5 or 6 various NF2 boards and does a mass comparison. You can find "shootouts" like that all over the 'Net, at places like anandtech.com, or Tom's Hardware Guide and many other places.

RAM- You'll most likely be using DDR RAM. Buy quality, RAM or your memory is not an area to "cheap out" on.

directron.com has some wildly "ungray" cases if you want to look there.

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First thing I do is make a wish list of what I want it to have. Divide that into MUST and LIKE groups.

Then take that list and shop using it. It will narrow down your choices pretty quickly to 2 or 3 motherboards.

The good thing about motherboards is that adding features upfront is cheaper than adding them later. If you get features such as integrated LAN and sound you only bump the price about $20 and save a couple of slots. They won't be as high end as what you can get in a card, but will serve the purpose. And, you can always upgrade them later.

I got a Soyo KT-400 ultra whatever for about $150 at Frys for my 2500, and it has everything but video integrated. Only card I had to add was video. Only thing it is lacking is firewire. You can probably find it cheaper online, but I was in a pinch. But, I am very happy with it.

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Old 07-28-2003, 09:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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For games, you need a graphics card more than a processor. If you are looking at playing Half-Life 2 or Doom 3,. go for either a Geforce 5900 FX or a Radeon 9800 Pro, both being excellent cards (as a side note, Max PC now reports both cards are approx. just as good as the other now. They did report that the 5900 smoked the 9800, but this was believed due to 'optimizations' nvidia made to their drivers). Both are quite expensive however. The best value in a video card right now is the Radeon 9600, which is roughly comparable to the Geforce FX 5600 but faster and with better image quality.

Look around at www.newegg.com, which is a VERY reputable site (click a link at the top of the page so TIMO gets some $$$ ). You can also look at www.pricewatch.com , but there are some shady vendors there. Cross-check them with www.resellerratings.com , which is owned by the same team that runs TIMO.

You'll also want to stock up on RAM. Odds are you;ll be using DDR RAM. The best mfg.s I can think of off the top of my head are Kingston ( www.kingston.com ), Crucial ( link at top ), and Corsair ( www.corsairmicro.com ). Corsair is arguably the best quality but is more expensive. Going generic is generally not a good idea, since RAM quality can adversely affect performance and stability.

For a motherboard, look for a board with either an nVidia nForce 2 or a VIA KT400A chipset (that's 400A, not 400). The preference goes to the nForce 2, although I have heard issues with the IDE controller on such boards, in which case the excellent return policy at newegg comes into play. As far as the manufacturer, it's not really a big deal. MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, and Abit are all safe, and it's really a matter of what doo-hickeys they throw in with the mobo.

It's probably a good idea to use the CDRW from your old machine, and the HDD if it's new and big enough. I built a machine 3 years ago for $600 with a custom case, 300 watt PSU (which was fairly big then, you'd probably want to shoot for 400 or so), and a new mobo and proc. I saved money using the soundcard and video card from the old machine. A CD Burner and a hard drive will save you money you can burn on some good stuff. Oh, and the integrated sound on the nForce 2 boards are accelerated and Tom's Hardware says it's great, so you could probably skimp there (unless you have an audiology in your old machine or something ). The on-board NIC will also save you some cash, as it works quite well for internet surfing. If you play anything more intense than Half-Life, however, you will want to avoid using on-board video.
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Old 07-28-2003, 09:27 PM   #7 (permalink)
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For AMD board you really have to go nForce2 based. KT400/400A/600 are good, but still not as good as the nForce2. It has better performance, and if you ever get into tweaking, its got that covered better as well... My personal favorite manufacturer is EPoX, but as long as you stick with nForce2 you should be good to go.

Considering that the 9800Pro and 5900 cards use up more than half the budget, I don't think he can go for one of those regardless of he wants to play HL2... Also considering that to really get good use out of those cards you should have close to the fastest processor intel or amd currently has, that makes it even more unrealistic. A radeon 9600 Pro or FX 5600 Ultra would be a good buy though, i'd probably go for the 9600 Pro

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Advice: Dont drop the heatsink on the processor... *pets his chipped XP 2800+"
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Old 07-28-2003, 10:01 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Video Card
Case
[/url]some case info...
and review
cables 1 / cables 2
V92 Modem (surprisingly good for the money)
Power supply
Cheaper Logitech combo
better optical logitech KBM combo
The sweet spot for CPU valu vs performance is the 2400+ AMD right now. I would also recomend an N-Force2 board...The onboard G-Force 4MX on some of them is adequate for midrange gaming.
Very nice little HSF
256Mg ram
or
512Mg ram
40Gig WD 7200
or
80Gig special edition WD
Liteon 52x CDRW
or
you could buy this drive from me for $35 shipped.
Here are a few starter links for info on building computers yourself...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...5E1065,00.html
http://peripherals.about.com/library.../aa101400a.htm
http://home.bluegrass.net/~keith/index010.html
http://www4.tomshardware.com/howto/20020904/index.html
[url]http://www4.tomshardware.com/howto/20020918/index.html

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Old 07-28-2003, 10:19 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'd go for the 2500+ Its only about $5-10 more than the 2400+ and can be easily overclocked to 3200+ speds... Pretty good deal when you can have AMD's fastest processor for under $100
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