9-11 game, what genius thought of that...

[riiix]

Saying its like a war game is way off! because in war there are 2 sides and both know the fact that they could be killed and there will be violence and they are taking that chance. but making a mod about thousands of innocent poeple dieing that had no chance isnt really the same. and with games like grand theft auto they arent basing the game on a particular subject like somthing as large as 9-11. and again its all timing if this game came out like someone said about 50 years from now it wouldnt have the same impact but it still shouldnt be made into a game in my opinion.

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by riiix
Saying its like a war game is way off! because in war there are 2 sides and both know the fact that they could be killed and there will be violence and they are taking that chance. but making a mod about thousands of innocent poeple dieing that had no chance isnt really the same. and with games like grand theft auto they arent basing the game on a particular subject like somthing as large as 9-11. and again its all timing if this game came out like someone said about 50 years from now it wouldnt have the same impact but it still shouldnt be made into a game in my opinion.

In the end violence is violence, there are games where you play the good guy and have ample opportunity to kill innocents, it doesn't matter if it was based on a real event or not or whether the other side in the game are taking a chance to be killed,you are engaging in 'virtual killing'... I fear that once the gaming community takes a stand against this game, then people are going to tell the community to take a look at every other game...
again, its a matter of perspective and I can see how people see it the other way and hope you can see it the way I am seeing it too ... and its not because I'm an unpatriotic b@stard as some of you seem to point out

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by Mike

Who knows, to each their own.

Yeah, there is no point in debating about this topic as we all have different perspectives on how to see this... just don't be hating people who don't see it the way you do

[JohnE.]

I think timing has every single thing to do with it. Perhaps it was too early, but it was bound to happend one day or the other..

What I meant was that, regardless of the timing - now or 50 years from now - it's still offensive. Maybe 50 years from now it wouldn't upset me as much but I sure as h**l wouldn't play it, not even 100 years from now.

I like a good game with plenty of action and violence myself from time-to-time but in all the games I do play (and in the vast majority of games overall), whether fictional or historically based, I am role playing the strong Hero, the righteous defender or an aggressor of some type, never a powerless, helpless victim with little or no chance of survival. Huge gaping chasm of a difference.

Check out krohnjw's comment on the initial news story here. It's about as fine an example of an Extremely Good Point as any of us is going to see for a very long time, imo.

JohnE.

[Good Companion]

[i]you run from a burning building and ultimately are burned, jump out of a building, or are saved.

I'm not sure what the above has to with:

Originally posted by Droppyale 9-11 Survivor is a game project that examines the role of media in our culture, and the influence that continuous, hyper exposure has on our overall perception of the distinctions between reality and media mediation. This project raises questions regarding how and why popular media forms, such as games and movies, deal with tragedy, conflict and violence.

Regards,
Dana

[JohnE.]

On the other hand, I can see one possible good coming out of this.

Perhaps this kind of role play could provide for some people who are (how shall I put this?) "less sensitive" to the needs and feelings of others, and who are more accustomed to dishing out abuse rather than suffering it, an opportunity to experience and feel the pain and anguish of being an innocent, powerless victim on the receiving end of violence. A little lesson in humility perhaps?

Just a thought...

JohnE.

[Gait_Keeper]

yes very out of pocket, someone has lost their mind.
I've calmed down since I first heard about it on the news, or I may have gotten banned.

yes world war I, II, were bad and allied troops being killed might be hard for vets ( I too am a vet, airforce ) but we all know, that war is war. The terrorism thing now, it's no where near the same thing as other games based on or actually depicting real events.

on 9/11 they stomped on our souls, our existance, everything this country stands for.
you run from a burning building and ultimately are burned, jump out of a building, or are saved
come on get it together bad game, bad timing, bad idea,bad everything

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Yes, and if someone you knew was killed in a shooting spree... you would be against playing Postal where you kill people for no apparent reason, or if you knew a person who was killed by a car running over them, you would be against playing GTA... right?

I like a good game with plenty of action and violence myself from time-to-time but in all the games I do play (and in the vast majority of games overall), whether fictional or historically based, I am role playing the strong Hero, the righteous defender or an aggressor of some type, never a powerless, helpless victim with little or no chance of survival. Huge gaping chasm of a difference.

More people die in gun violence in America than people died in Sept.11 yet I (and the majority of gamers around the world) play games that glorify killing innocent people with real weapons. That would be equivalent to be playing as the hijackers in the plane which would be even worse that this, and even though the games about killing innocent people are based on fiction, it has been derived from real life events... even if this MOD was released under the name of 'Get out of burning sky scrapers after planes struck them', it would have been equally (if not more) appaling in all of your eyes...
So I can't be hypocrite and talk against this game while turning a blind eye towards the others... thats just the way I see it... and I fear thats the way game critics like Senator Jack Wagner will see it...
I really do apologize if I'm trampling on all of your emotions, but I'm just being blunt over here.

[riiix]

I just cant grasp the fact some people would want to reinact the terror that is must have been trying to get out of the buildings alive when thousands couldnt. Its sick!

[tmx468]

Originally posted by mAdMaLuDaWg
More people die in gun violence in America than people died in Sept.11 yet I (and the majority of gamers around the world) play games that glorify killing innocent people with real weapons.

I don't think you could have put that one better if you tried, but try telling that to middle America.. I watched the film 'Bowling for Columbine (sp?). Truly shows the issues, yet no-one seemed to care. Yet they get backed up against something like this - double standards rule the world. FACT.

No-one can win this arguament, just keep it going.