9-11 game, what genius thought of that...

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by ben-the-slacker
Or because they're trying to cash in on something.
I wonder what those guys were smokin...

Heh, think about it, from what we can gather these are just a bunch of regular joes creating a mod. They have no big label behind them or anything. If they were to somehow come up with 1 million dollars (probally more), they would be drowned in contrevorsy and would probally be faced with countless lawsuits and be the subject of ridicule in the media... they would have more to loose than gain if they were actually making this to make a quick buck.

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by Scott Tiger
I haven't played either of the games you listed but I've play RTCW and ET a bunch so you do have a very valid point there Madmaludawg. Guess I'm desensitized to that 'cuause we've made so many movies, stories, etc about WW1 and WW2 that I never though about it.

I guess I just consider a terrorist attack to be completely different from a war. In combat you're supposed to be fighting against another army and work to minimize the civilian causalities. In 9/11 they directly targeted innocent civilians. Guess it doesn't seem like a fair comparison to me.

Now if they were to make a mod where you hunted down the members of Osamma's terrorist group and brought them to justice I think that would be a GREAT game.

Your level headedness on this issue is very admirable.
I could see why some of you are sensitive on this issue... but me, I've been a gamer all my life, and I aspire to become a game developer some day... so I guess I'm seeing this from more of a game devs perspective.

[Scott Tiger]

Well from a developer's perspective I've got to respect the mod. I've made feeble attempts at a NWN mod (and it wasn't pretty) so my hat's off to anyone who can do it well. So I've got nothing against anyone who would like playing it - I just know I couldn't do it.

[Lemon[H]ead]

Yeah, but in this game you are not the terrorists who fly planes into the towers... a big difference there. IOW, this game is not promoting Americans getting killed or forcing you to do that. I'll say it once, and I'll say it again... there are far worse games out there that glorify violence.

it's not about the terrorists. it's like scott tiger said, it's like creating "rape victim survivor" or similar.

[Master Chief]

Well if you want to be a developer, dont develop crap like this!

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by Lemon[H]ead


it's not about the terrorists. it's like scott tiger said, it's like creating "rape victim survivor" or similar.

Ok, then I guess there shouldn't be games of blowing up people on the street for no reason, car jacking them, shooting their body parts off,and picking up prostitutes and being able to kill them later,or escaping from the hands of the Vietnamese with 3D models of American soldiers getting killed, or flying a plane in Iraq and getting shot down, or playing in Mogadeeshu (sp?) and risk being shot etc etc etc... wait... there are already games like that
Face it, you can't justify blaming this game while OKing the rest in the market... if you are going to be against this one, then you are going to have to be against every single game that portrays any form of senseless violence....
I know I'm sounding like Devil's advocate over here, but its just the reality.
In the end, what it boils down to is this: Its just a game....

[phlatline]

I agree w/Scott, & it will never cease 2 amaze me just what kind of s**t people will do 2 turn a buck/grab a few mins of fame. & I would bet that's all this crap boils down 2. We've thrown away human decency for a dollar. But hey, that's just my opinion...

[JohnE.]

I find the whole idea offensive in the extreme.

To me the graphics, lame justification, timing, etc. doesn't factor in at all, not one bit. No matter how much time passes I will never forget that America and a whole lot of people of different nationalities - all innocent - were the victims of a vicious, murderous and cowardly attack by ignorant, psychotic religious fanatics who have zero value for human life. I will never forget turning on the TV one morning and seeing those planes hit.

I refuse to blame the victim for the crimes of the guilty. No matter Americas faults, there is no justification for the murder of 3,000+ innocent people.

Any person or group who proposes to make a "game" that one can "play" based on this terrible event, makes a mockery out of the suffering of those who lost thier lives, their families and the untold millions who were affected by the attack. Whoever thought this incredably bad idea up is an utterly disgusting, amoral ba***rd and should be deeply ashamed. No rationalization, justification or defence could ever convince me otherwise.

I'm all for free speech and artistic expression, especially when it comes to violent video games, but I think the words of Jeff Golblum in Jurassic Park pretty much sums it up and deflates any possible justification for this ill-conceived insult to human decency: "You spent so much time asking whether you could that you forgot to ask whether you should".

Just because one has the right to say anything they wish, doesn't mean that one always should. You have the right to remain silent.

I apologise for going off the deep end a bit, but this hit a sore nerve with me... I was angry then and 2 years later, I'm still angry, still wanting justice to be served.

JohnE.

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

*sigh*
One could say the same thing about video games about wars ,John, along with every other violent video game.

See the point I'm trying to make is that you can't hold double standards... you can't turn a blind-eye towards every other single violent game and say this is bad because it portrays a terrorist attack... then you'd have to goto the Pearl Harbor game and say that was wrong, then to Vietcong and say that was wrong, so on and so forth...

To me the graphics, lame justification, timing, etc. doesn't factor in at all

I think timing has every single thing to do with it. Perhaps it was too early, but it was bound to happend one day or the other..
Now if you were playing as the hijackers on the plane, that would make me upset... but I really can't fault the MOD devs over here

[Mike]

Even if you are completely against it, does it matter? The makers of the mod probably wanted it to be seen and heard about. Aren't we debating about it right now? Someone that never heard of the mod may wander by and find out about and start playing it.

Who knows, to each their own.