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Old 06-03-2003, 03:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Looking to buy new graphics card under $200

Please no Radaon is better then Geforce and vis-versa

I'm looking to buy a new graphics card under $200 and must be better then my Visiontek Geforce3 TI200

* Are the GF4TI's DX9 compatible? Does it matter? I want a good card
* What is a good brand? MSI? Gainward? Leadtek?
* Is GF FX Ultra any good? Should i save and wait to get the new 5900 when it gets cheaper?
* What kind of TI GF4 should i get if i do?
* I don't want to have a bulky noisy FX
* Should i go with 128 or 256 MEG? I know it will be more expensive
* Should i get radaon? I heard drivers were bad
* If i go radaon, what should i get?
* I'm looking for dual input + tv out
* Should i get 8x vs 4x?

I know where to find reviews, just need to know what to look for..


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Old 06-03-2003, 03:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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you are opening a can of worms here i hope you are ready for it .

if you have to geta card now i would say get a get a fx 5200 you can get one for about 80$ it is dx 9 and will do all you need . the ati's are faster but by the end of the year new cards will be out that are better . at 200$ you are under the 9700pro price and the 9800 pro is way over 200$ . and the fx 5900 isn't out yet .

i say get the cheap gap filler if you HAVE to get one now and cant wait . if you can wait wait till like dec and see whats on the market then .
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Old 06-03-2003, 03:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I can wait, i don't have the money now, but i will in a few months, i just want to plan.
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Old 06-03-2003, 04:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Here are my thoughts...

...GF4Ti are DX8.1 ...

...I think DX9 will be important, although not necessary, when it comes to future games such as Half Life 2 and Doom 3...

...I have never had a problem with ATI's Catalyst drivers...yet.

...AGP 8x may also become important when those games come out...the need to move massive textures may make the AGP 8x a very worthwhile feature to have.

...For under $200, I don't think you'll get a 256 meg card...128MB should be the minimum to consider...

If you really want to get a good card, and you've got the time to save the $$, then an nVidia FX 5900 (when it comes out) or an ATI 9800/9700 pro are your best bets...but at a high price...$300 and up. Although, with the ATI 9800 out, perhaps the 9700pro's price will come down soon.

For a good card...the best card you can get to run Half Life 2 or Doom 3, you'll definately want 8X AGP, 256MB of Ram, and a card with DDRII and a nice wide 256bit bus...but that's if you've got $500 to spend. ATI's 9800 pro will have a 256 MB version...I'm sure the FX5900 will too, but for ALOT of money.

IMO, if you must buy a card now, for under $200, I'd get an ATI 9500 pro...
-TV out/DVI out/Analog
-AGP 4x (no 8x that I'm aware of)
-has 128MB ram
-it is DX9 capable
-future games should run well...with most visuals turned on;
-current games run great!
-the 9500pro shares the exact same components as the more expensive 9700pro...minus the memory bus width (128 bit vs 256 bit)
-the 9500 pro has 8 rendering pipelines, although only 4 are enabled; the memory is also underclocked and locked by ATI and cannot be overclocked. ATI did this so that folks would buy the 9700pro. But if everyone knew that you could unlock a 9500pro, enable the other 4 pipelines, and overclock the memory to 9700pro levels with just a simple bios flash, fewer people would buy the 9700pro and save themselves $200. You can download the unlocked bios, flash the card, and your system will now see it as a 9700pro...and you'll get similar performance...although at higher resolutions, it won't match the 9700pro due to its 128bit memory bus limitation...but still a very fast card.

If you opt not to go with the 9500pro and don't want to bother with the bios...then get the 9600pro. It is the same as the 9500pro, but with only 4 physical rendering pipelines...but includes faster memory to make up the difference. It too is a very good card and should do well in future games. It cannot, however, reach 9700pro levels like the 9500pro can due to its overclocking limitations.
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Old 06-03-2003, 04:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I dont think there is such a thing as planning a couple months ahead when it comes to graphics cards!
Or most technologies for that matter...a couple months ago we'd be talking about a whole other set of options here!
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Old 06-03-2003, 04:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Maybe i should wait and ask again then?

Is the FX5800 Ultra any good? That might come down in price in awhile
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Old 06-03-2003, 05:18 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The 5800 was kind of a mistake on nVidia's part...kinda like 3DFX's last card...too little too late...
-doesn't match the performance of the 9700 pro...
-is noisy and BIG...
-expensive to build...
-costs a lot in part due to the expensive DDRII memory
-only has a 128bit memory bus...severely cutting its performance
-the 5900 is what the 5800 should've been...the 5900 goes back to DDR1, but has a 256bit memory bus...DDRII will be offered soon.
-good luck finding a 5800 anywhere...Maximum PC did an article on its availability this month and they scoured the nation looking for one, and couldn't buy one...they are in very limited release.
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Gainward GeForceFX 5600 - $153.99

Albatron GeForce4 Ti4600 - $169.00

ATI Radeon 9600Pro - $180.00
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Thanks for the links

Is the FX any good? I'm gonna go read some reviews too though
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