Can't hibernate - Page 2

Michael Chiew · 06-15-2002, 08:56 AM

XP1.8k

Windows XP?? What can I say?

I'm experimenting with the OS myself. One thing I know about XP is this. You've got to have at least a "working" knowledge of it before you want to take the plunge. It's not complicated but it's got requirements. Some functions won't play by your rules or bend to your wishes. It's like a wild horse. Once you've got it on your side, you're in for the ride of your life!

Before I even bought me a copy of XP, I took it upon myself to read as much about it as I could. I hate the activation part. I live in Singapore. America seem so far away even by telephone, or e-mail. So activation frustrates me.

One of the most important discoveries I made about XP is how you're perceived by it - as a mere user, a guest, or an administrator. The administrator is a powerful title to have. He has the ability to do things with the OS a user or guest simply can't.

HIBERNATE, or STANDBY, isn't a favorite subject of mine where XP is concerned. There are so many other exciting features and functions that occupy my time. HIBERNATE, or STANDBY? I didn't even think about either of them.

Which brings me to this question. How did you set up HIBERNATE. I know it's installed by default. By default it may be but you still need to check to see whether it's really ENABLED. Then there is another condition. Your BIOS must support it.

If your BIOS is set to S3, which you did previously, HIBERNATE may not be working the way you imagine it has. The only way to find out is to get into your POWER OPTIONS from CONTROL PANEL. Here there may be a problem. According to the documentation I have, accessing and adjusting POWER OPTIONS can only be successfully carried out if you're the ADMINISTRATOR, or a member of the POWER USERS group of the computer.

Be that as it may, XP1.8k, give it whirl. You never really know what's going to happen.

You get to POWER OPTIONS through CONTROL PANEL. In the POWER OPTIONS PROPERTIES box, click HIBERNATE tab. By the way, if you don't have the HIBERNATE tab, your system does not support HIBERNATE mode.

Assuming you do have the HIBERNATE tab, click it. Look at the HIBERNATE section. Is ENABLE HIBERNATION SUPPORT checked. If not, check it. Click OK.

Click START, click SHUTDOWN. In the WHAT DO YOU WANT THE COMPUTER TO DO drop-down list, click HIBERNATE.

When you've got HIBERNATE enabled, the OS generates a HIBERNATE file each time your computer goes into HIBERNATION. The file is HIBERFILE.SYS.

I suspect your "minor" problem with HIBERNATE may be because it has not been correctly set up.

Michael Chiew

XP1.8k · 06-15-2002, 03:34 PM

how i set hibernate is i set it so that when i press sleep, it goes into hibernate mode and works perfectly......no problem there......

the problem i have is when my computer is off (in off mode or hibernation) and i press the power button again within 5 minutes of turning it off, it doesn't boot....no beep to tell me everything is correct, and nothing comes on the screen.......any ideas?

Michael Chiew · 06-16-2002, 06:19 AM

XP1.8k

How you've configured your BIOS settings or POWER SCHEMES may be the reason for the delay in booting up. Two things to look at.

Check your BIOS settings.

In POWER MANAGEMENT SETUP, select POWER MANAGEMENT and press ENTER key.

In the expanded menu, check the following entries -

POWER MANAGEMENT
Set this to USER DEFINE

HDD POWER DOWN
DISABLE this one

DOZE MODE
DISABLE doze mode

SUSPEND MODE
DISABLE this mode

Next, select WAKE UP EVENTS of POWER MANAGEMENT SETUP and press ENTER key. In WAKE UP EVENTS menu, these should be the settings

VGA - Off
LPT & COM - LPT/COM
HDD & FDD - On
PCI MASTER - Off
POWERON by Keyboard - Enabled
POWERON/RESUME by PCI Card - Disabled
POWERON/RESUME by LAN/Ring - Disabled
POWERON/RESUME by RTCAlarm - Disabled
PRIMARY INTR - On
IRQs Activity Monitoring - Press ENTER

You should also go through your POWER OPTIONS and check how your POWER SCHEMES are set.

Michael Chiew

Michael Chiew · 06-16-2002, 08:38 AM

XP1.8k

Two others things should be checked.

What is your setting for ACPI SUSPEND TYPE in the POWER MANAGEMENT SETUP of your BIOS. Is it S3 or S4.

From the Command Prompt of your OS, do a directory for a HIBERNATE file (Hiberfile.sys, or Hibernate.sys). The file records the state of your desktop, etc., before you went into HIBERNATION. When you hit the power button, Windows XP searches for the hibernate file to get your system out of the mode. If the file is missing, Windows XP will have difficult booting.

If your BIOS is not set to S4 and you don't have a hibernate file, chances are you don't have hibernate mode.

Michael Chiew

XP1.8k · 06-16-2002, 12:46 PM

actually, hibernation is no prob....it's just that it doesn't boot whenever the computer is off or in hibernate mode if i turn it on again after 10 minutes of shutting down.,,,

Michael Chiew · 06-16-2002, 07:16 PM

XP1.8k

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actually, hibernation is no prob....it's just that it doesn't boot whenever the computer is off or in hibernate mode if i turn it on again after 10 minutes of shutting down.,,,
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There is a "wait" state from hibernation to normal operation. Some systems boot up within 2 seconds; others within 10 seconds; still others are known to boot up within 30 seconds. It all depends on your system and what's been written to disk before your machine lapses into HIBERNATION.

So allow 30 seconds before you see any action on your computer. Obviously, the screen will be black because your machine is still in HIBERNATION. Hit the power button, wait 30 seconds. Your system should get out of HIBERNATION by then.

If it doesn't, either your BIOS, or POWER SCHEMES, or both are incorrectly set. Power management is handled by two players - the BIOS and your OS. Set it up right and it will work.

The first condition for it to work is that you must have BIOS support for HIBERNATE mode and that means S4, not S3. S3 puts your system in SUSPEND-TO-RAM mode. If your BIOS is still set at S3, you're putting your system on SUSPEND-TO-RAM mode, which may account for the "odd" powering up behavior. Power management modes are codes written in a chip on the motherboard. Moreover, if you don't have the HIBERNATE tab in your POWER OPTIONS, HIBERNATE doesn't work however enabled it may be.

Richard Cranium was right when he said that the last time he saw HIBERNATE was in an OEM machine. So far, machines with HIBERNATE mode tend to be restricted to OEM machines.

Perhaps I'm wrong here. I certainly hope someone in this forum could pitch in with a new insight.

I can't think of any other way around your problem, if it's a problem at all.

Michael Chiew

Tygur · 06-16-2002, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Michael Chiew
There is a "wait" state from hibernation to normal operation. Some systems boot up within 2 seconds; others within 10 seconds; still others are known to boot up within 30 seconds. It all depends on your system and what's been written to disk before your machine lapses into HIBERNATION.

This makes me wonder if you've ever actually watched a computer hibernate and come back. When my computer goes into hibernation, it shows a progress bar as it writes the necessary information to the disk. Then it shuts off completely. Then when I turn it back on, the screen is not black at all. I see the normal POST screen, then windows shows another progress bar while it comes back.

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Originally posted by Michael Chiew
Richard Cranium was right when he said that the last time he saw HIBERNATE was in an OEM machine. So far, machines with HIBERNATE mode tend to be restricted to OEM machines.

Perhaps I'm wrong here. I certainly hope someone in this forum could pitch in with a new insight.

My computer is home-built and I'm using Windows XP. I use hibernation all the time with no problems. My dad's computer is also home-built, and he's using Windows 2000. He also uses Hibernation with no problems.

Michael Chiew · 06-17-2002, 04:53 AM

Tygur

Throughout my posts, I have not once mentioned that I had experience with HIBERNATE. The closest I got to HIBERNATE was several years ago, from a friend's machine running Windows 98. It was an OEM computer.

My machines are not in HIBERNATE mode; they're in STANDBY mode. I quote a recent post of mine wherein I said -

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HIBERNATE, or STANDBY, isn't a favorite subject of mine where XP is concerned. There are so many other exciting features and functions that occupy my time. HIBERNATE, or STANDBY? I didn't even think about either of them.
UNQUOTE

In past months, I had done a lot of research into Microsoft's ONNOW Initiative which led to the implementation of ACPI/APM. All these came about from the concept of SIPC (Simply Interactive Computer). In my study of ACPI, I came across HIBERNATE. The "wait" state (I coined the word for want of a better word) is documented in one of XP's papers regarding ACPI and HIBERNATE mode. The document states that in some cases certain computer will take as long as 30 seconds to power up, depending on what's written to disk.

That same document stipulates that unless the BIOS supports HIBERNATE mode, it wouldn't work in Windows XP.

I have a question for you.

How is your BIOS configured in POWER MANAGEMENT SETUP under ACPI SUSPEND TYPE. Is it S1(POS), S3, or S4. If you haven't got S4 (the equivalent of HIBERNATE mode), then HIBERNATE mode is not supported in your machine. How about POWER OPTIONS. Do you have a HIBERNATE tab in the properties box. If you haven't, then HIBERNATE mode isn't supported either. Do you have a file (Hiberfile.sys) in your system. This is where all data is written to when your machine lapses into HIBERNATION. If this file is non-existent, then HIBERNATION is not supported.

That is my conclusion after reading the document on the mechanics of ACPI.

Michael Chiew

Tygur · 06-17-2002, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Michael Chiew
I have a question for you.

How is your BIOS configured in POWER MANAGEMENT SETUP under ACPI SUSPEND TYPE. Is it S1(POS), S3, or S4. If you haven't got S4 (the equivalent of HIBERNATE mode), then HIBERNATE mode is not supported in your machine. How about POWER OPTIONS. Do you have a HIBERNATE tab in the properties box. If you haven't, then HIBERNATE mode isn't supported either. Do you have a file (Hiberfile.sys) in your system. This is where all data is written to when your machine lapses into HIBERNATION. If this file is non-existent, then HIBERNATION is not supported.

Actually, that looks like a couple questions

. I know hibernation works, but I'll answer your questions. I'm actually hibernating the computer when I go to check out the BIOS settings. I went to the BIOS settings, and S1(POS) was selected. The only other option was S3(STR). The Power Options Properties window does have a Hibernate tab, and hibernation is enabled in there. I couldn't find any hiberfile.sys file, but I don't think this is an issue. Windows probably creates it when needed, and deletes it after using it.

Gomer · 06-17-2002, 12:15 PM

my 2 cents again, for tygur. Have you tried S3 (STR)? I use it instead of hibernate and love it. Suspend To Ram kicks major tail IMO. It works like hibernate, but you don't have to wait for the file to be written. Much faster.

When I tell my system to standby, it is down in under 2 seconds, completely off. When I hit my keyboard, Windows is right where I left it and back up before my monitor comes on. My system automatically stands-by after 15 minutes of idle time as well. I love it because I don't have to wait to boot, and it shuts down the annoying fans.

Tygur · 06-17-2002, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Gomer
my 2 cents again, for tygur. Have you tried S3 (STR)? I use it instead of hibernate and love it. Suspend To Ram kicks major tail IMO. It works like hibernate, but you don't have to wait for the file to be written. Much faster.

When I tell my system to standby, it is down in under 2 seconds, completely off. When I hit my keyboard, Windows is right where I left it and back up before my monitor comes on. My system automatically stands-by after 15 minutes of idle time as well. I love it because I don't have to wait to boot, and it shuts down the annoying fans.

I have the option, from within Windows, to either Shutdown, Restart, go on Standby, or Hibernate. I can choose any one of these things, and I don't have to change any BIOS settings.

I set the sleep button on my keyboard to Hibernate (had a choice of nothing, ask me, standby, hibernate, or shutdown), because that's what I prefer. While Standby is much faster, Hibernate is still fast enough for me. I prefer Hibernate because the computer uses no power while in hibernation. When it goes on standby, it still uses some power. This means that it must remain plugged into the wall. When you hibernate a computer, you can unplug it from the wall with no problems, because it is completely shut off. This is good, especially for thunderstorms. I can quickly press the sleep button and unplug the computer when a thunderstorm comes around.

Another reason why it's good that the computer completely shuts off while in hibernation is because of the case fans. I have a pair of 120mm case fans in my computer. These things aren't very quiet, and they stay on when the computer goes on standby. But when the computer hibernates, they shut off with the rest of the computer.

Gomer · 06-17-2002, 03:55 PM

Agreed about the power issue and thundstorms. I am just extra cautious. I can still resume from standby and be shut down in under 30 seconds. When I am gone for extended periods of time, I shut it down proper. I have lost power while in standby with no ill effects.

Regarding the 120mm fans. If you set your system to S3 in bios, it will kill the fans while on standby. That is what happens with my system... including the fans that aren't powered off the mobo. The only power the system uses is a small amount to keep the RAM alive. That is the nice thing about S3 and standby is that the system goes silent, but is back in the blink of an eye.

To each his own tho =)

XP1.8k · 06-18-2002, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Tygur

I have the option, from within Windows, to either Shutdown, Restart, go on Standby, or Hibernate. I can choose any one of these things, and I don't have to change any BIOS settings.

I set the sleep button on my keyboard to Hibernate (had a choice of nothing, ask me, standby, hibernate, or shutdown), because that's what I prefer. While Standby is much faster, Hibernate is still fast enough for me. I prefer Hibernate because the computer uses no power while in hibernation. When it goes on standby, it still uses some power. This means that it must remain plugged into the wall. When you hibernate a computer, you can unplug it from the wall with no problems, because it is completely shut off. This is good, especially for thunderstorms. I can quickly press the sleep button and unplug the computer when a thunderstorm comes around.

Another reason why it's good that the computer completely shuts off while in hibernation is because of the case fans. I have a pair of 120mm case fans in my computer. These things aren't very quiet, and they stay on when the computer goes on standby. But when the computer hibernates, they shut off with the rest of the computer.

my situation is just like Tygurs. only it doesn't give me that stuff at the beginning when u turn it on.......and doesn't do nething...

Tygur · 06-18-2002, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by XP1.8k
my situation is just like Tygurs. only it doesn't give me that stuff at the beginning when u turn it on.......and doesn't do nething...

What stuff?

I'm guessing you're talking about when you turn on your computer after hibernating. If that's the case, then what exactly happens when you turn it on after hibernating?

XP1.8k · 06-19-2002, 12:47 PM

okay, if i hibernate, and then turn the computer back on within 2 minutes, it doesn't boot......it doesn't give me the beep......i just hear the fan.....nothing happens......if i wait a little longer, and then turn it back on, then it boots, and loads windows with hibernation. Do u know why it doesn't work if i turn it back on within 2 minutes??

Tygur · 06-19-2002, 01:41 PM

And this only happens if you turn it on after hibernating, and not after a regular shutdown?

It looks like you've got me stumped..

XP1.8k · 06-19-2002, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Tygur
And this only happens if you turn it on after hibernating, and not after a regular shutdown?

It looks like you've got me stumped..

it happens on regular shut down too.......