800MHz Celeron vs. 700MHz Pentium III

[pianowizard]

I have an 800MHz Celeron CPU and a 700MHz Pentium III CPU, both of them socket 370 with 100MHz FSB. Which one is faster/better? Thanks in advance for your advice.

BTW, I will be installing one of these on a slot1 MB via a slocket.

[backyardtechie]

I would say the 700 mhz intel would be better then the celery stick.The celeron has half the L2 cache as the 700 , 128kb compared to 256 kb.Also you can make the 700 a 733 simply by uping your FSB , thats if your Mobo can support 133mhz FSB and your ram doesn't complain.I have a P3 733mhz overclocked to 852mhz and it out performs a P3 900 celeron chip.

Hope this helps cheers
Backyardtechie

[pianowizard]

Originally posted by backyardtechie
I would say the 700 mhz intel would be better then the celery stick.The celeron has half the L2 cache as the 700 , 128kb compared to 256 kb.Also you can make the 700 a 733 simply by uping your FSB , thats if your Mobo can support 133mhz FSB and your ram doesn't complain.I have a P3 733mhz overclocked to 852mhz and it out performs a P3 900 celeron chip.

Thanks for the info. I doubt that my MB supports 133MHz FSB, but the slocket has an option for 133MHz FSB. Would setting the slocket to 133MHz do the trick? Also, my RAM is 100MHz. So, probably not?

[backyardtechie]

Ram is somewhat a wild card , it depends on the brand.My ram is pc100 and it hates going any faster then 115 mhz.But i did change the ratio of my ram speed, err basically the ram on my board can run at the same speed of the FSB but in the bios u can change the setting from 1 to 1 i changed it to 4 to 3.Hmm the board you have should support 133 FSB , knowing what board you have would help.And i assume you are taking a slot 1 board and putting in a socket 370 adapter.But i would imagain if you had the patience to fiddle wit some bios settings and decent cooling you might be able to get that 700 going a wee bit faster , but if you can ,find out what board you got , that would help.

Okay hope this helps
Cheers
Backyardtechie

[johnnyis42]

you can probably safely overclock both chips considerably with no specialized cooling, and you would just need to use standard pc 133 memory to do it as well. this is all assuming that your motherboard supports the necessay overclocking features.

[slickvic22]

I had a P3 700 also on this computer. All i do is get on the internet and check email and stuff and my buddy had a celeron 800 and we just traded even up because he needed the extra speed. I don't see any difference in mine but he does. The 700 is faster on a benchmark though according to him.

[backyardtechie]

The L2 cache makes a differance, 128kb of extra cache makes the pentuim a better chip , Megahertz aint everything , thats why Amd is keeping up and basically beats Intel.It's like going from 256 megs of ram to 512.The p3 chips are actaully awesome Overclockers jus yah gotta be careful , yah i am at 852 and i can load windows at 891 but i rather not fry my internet/diagnostic machine lol , also bumping up the cpu voltage sometimes increases performance.But yah i would get pc133 ram for this slot 1 board pc100 ram is kinda sensitive and i could see this 700 get up too 800/850 if done right depending on the board , maybe more..............


Cheers
Backyardtechie

[johnnyis42]

some people may argue that the pentium 3 was the best chip for its time.... though when the athlon thunderbirds came out their days were immediately numbered. truth is though, i know of alot more pentium 3 coppermine core chips out there still running hard than i know of athlon thunderbirds. that era of processing was so nice, short pipelines and die sizes that didn't suffer from leaky logic gates.... and once the last chipsets came out, overclocking for days. you could throw a pentium 3 chip across the room to your friend, it could hit the ground and roll across the carpet, and when you put it in a machine you were not surprised when it booted and worked fine, completely stable and at less than 100 degrees F. too bad about the one flaw that made them move to the tualatin at the same moment the pentium 4 came out, at that point the issues of bus bandwidth were overshadowing how much work that pentium 3 chip could do in such little time.

[backyardtechie]

I love my P3 chip it is stable and runs cool even after overclocking and flogging it, jus compared to todays chips they obiviously slow.I still build a few p2 systems and am amazed at how tough they are.But celerons are jus darn cheap and honestly slower then there pentuim counterparts , what makes them cheap to buy is there weak piont.I will keep my p3 system for years , as i love the durability and no fuss , and i have no doubt it'll run longer then my 2400+sempron i have

Cheers
Backyardtechie

[roley]

The Pentium 3 would would be way better than the celeron.

I dunno about some of the comments about AMD Thunderbird...back then Intel was still the cpu of choice with big vendors and that would explain why people are still running more of them.

The Thunderbird crushed the P3 and forced Intel to go P4 a lot faster.

They couldnt even reliably break 1GHz with the P3...but the Thunderbird got all the way up to 1.4GHz I think...

I built 2 computers with 1.2GHz Thunderbird. Both of which are still working fine. Heat was an issue...but heat is even more of an issue with the P4 now.

A64 is again far superior to P4, although Intel has cut its prices back a lot in response to the competition. I just do not understand why people are so loyal to intel...they have not really done the best job with chipsets and stuff from P3 onwards...The PII was excellent and was built with all the right stuff...but P3 Intel got too clever for their own good I reckon....they used non-std RAM, they brought out confusing chipset variations, they brought out the Celeron variation that really contributed very little to the development of the PC...particularly when the original Celery Sticks didnt have any level 2 cache (i think)...so on and so forth...

To check Intel vs AMD argument check out the CPU battlegrounds article on anandtech.com.au that was a very interesting article.

Roley
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