thanks MitaDC for the advice. The cd lense cleaner that I had, has the little brushes, but when I tried to use it I got the disc read error witht that. I have found a cool link that goes through step by step on how to open up the ps2, so maybe this weekend I will try that. I have nothing to lose, and me and my gf really want to finish champions. I will however try to clean champions disc in hopes that maybe the boot up file is scrathced on the cd, it is a long shot, but that way if that doesn't work, i can be 99% sure that it is my ps2 (how frustrating...) thanks for the wonderful advice and hopefully i can fix it this weekend, and if need be I am prepared to take it apart (which will probably be the case). If anyone needs directions in taking apart the ps2 this is a cool link!
http://www.techtv.com/xplay/features...516150,00.html
Please be aware that there is a disclamier, and if you do take apart the ps2 the author of the above link is NOT held responsaialbe (he does say that in his link).