Upping Upload speed increases dload?

[Sandizzle]

Can someone please tell this guy I know that increasing your upload speed does not increase your download speed, at all.

Can someone verify this and hopefully with some proof, because he can't ever be wrong (so he thinks) and I can tell he will never give in, unless I bring this to his attention that he doesn't.

[phenious]

Ok... lets prove him right... but only on dial up speeds... when you download you have to send confirms which uses your upload... When I download @ 300K a second I upload about 15K a sec in confirmations and stuff.... overheard of the protocol. If I was capped @ say.. 10K maybe I could only download @ 290K. However. If your ISP is giving you a 2Mbit line with a 10K upload you are getting ripped off. So in short... one any given connection they are not direclty linked but to download you have to upload and the same goes when you upload... you have to get data back from the sender.... however... its not in the ammount that you would notice it so.... he is wrong to think that.... but right... ever so slightly... But I know his type... and what he is thinking is wrong... so I still say he is wrong

-: phenious :-

[thronka]

Example: A program you can use to cap the upload and increase the DL speed and you can do the same thing the other way. and you can do it for both if you desire. Upload and DOWNLOAD are different so NO it will not increase Download speed.

[Sandizzle]

well, I am going to show it to him now, I am sorry rhythmic, but you are wrong...need anymore proof?

[Rhythmic]

First of all I apologize, I didn't mean for this message board war to transfer over to any other board.

You can look at what I, and sanddizle, wrote at this link http://www.scsgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692. If it's not there I'll update you with a archived site. I apologize for the images on the site, as it is a clan web site and a lot less formal.

All I'm saying about uploads and downloads is what I know from experience and have read on the boards (listed in posts on that other site), where if you saturate your upload speed, which I do constantly, your download speed will be affected. One way around this is to obtain a packet shaper, as I understand. I'm actually working with the Sveasoft firmware for my linksys router to archive this.

I understand totally that you need uploads for acknowledgement requests when downloading, just to say hey I got the packet send me the next one. My understanding is that this is due to the way the TCP protocol works. I don't think you get it with IPX or UDP, but I'm not too familiar with the protocols, just this one aspect.

When I brought about my P2P example, it was just an example. I was saying if you upload at some point, maybe 100% of your bandwidth, then your going to hit a point where it DOES affect your download speed. This is why I thought one of the reason people have packet shapers for.

This is my understanding of all this. If I am wrong, I'm open to listen to why.


Thank you,
-Rhythmic

[Sandizzle]

rhythmic, it shouldn't have had to transfer over if you weren't so stubborn about it, I doubt they really care, I just wanted to see what you would say when I got the proof, and its exactly how I thought it'd be...w/e man, you told me you KNOW so, and **** like that, trying to make me look bad with false theories, I do forgive you, you don't have to apologize for that, but its the fact that you said you knew you were right, I know when to let things go, but when you lead people on with these posts of yours, that were false, I just wanted to clarify it to you.

When I brought about my P2P example, it was just an example. I was saying if you upload at some point, maybe 100% of your bandwidth, then your going to hit a point where it DOES affect your download speed. This is why I thought one of the reason people have packet shapers for.

I don't see why you are denying what you said, unless you edited your posts, its done now rhythmic, I was right, you were wrong, can you at least admit that?...and not try to find somewhere where you were right, blah blah blah...


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[Rhythmic]

Go ahead and read my posts Sandizzle, you'll see they are edited.. but all are edited cause of spelling errors and such and none were touch after you replied.

As for here, I'm waiting to see what people have to say. If I'm wrong, then great I'll know it and hear it from someone who is an expert. Not someone who thinks he is right and can't explain why to me.

-Rhythmic

[Sandizzle]

yeah, I only explained it like 10 times, do you want me to break it down into bite size cookies? I said enough for the average joe to understand it, you come on the forums trying to speak all bombastically as if you were an expert on the subject and you don't understand my explanations?

try running teamspeak, you have to send information to others, when you speak to them thats upload, when they speak to you, thats download, understand the concept, its incredibly simple

yeah, I never explained it, not even once.

I have dealt with the ignorant before, you think you are one big hotshot, go play video games, its what your best at I am sure, stay away from my computer, stay away from computers period, LOL!

and if you continue learning, you'll see what I’m talking about as long as we all continue to use the TCP protocol.
-Rhythmic

You tell me I need to keep learning, hah, read a book, and not a computer term dictionary, you need to learn what you are talking about, not just the words. We can all spit out some foolishly but complex sounding posts, but do we care to embarrass ourselves, umm, no.

Save it for people who don't know what you are talking about, you might even be able to get away with it!

Get over it, you were wrong, its OVER. Its no longer disputable, so stop your bickering and move on.

[Rhythmic]

I want to hear what people here have to say.


As for that uploading comment, I really don't know why you assume I don't know what uploading is. Is this an argument about terminology? Take the time and READ what I wrote, you must have taken something I said the wrong way. I'm not trying to win or lose here. No matter what, even if I’m corrected by an expert, I’ll won in my own way. I'm trying to prove to you that uploading, the processes of sending data outbound, does indeed affect your downloading, the process of receiving data inbound. And that by creating efficiency in your upload pipeline, you can increase your download speed (not latency but bandwidth).

I've been looking at our posts and maybe we just had a miscommunication...
I'm saying that I can increase my download speed by increasing my upload efficiency. I know I'll never be able to physically go faster than my hardware allows and will not be able to go over the set limits that my cable company has imposed on my connection (unless I can uncap my connection) no matter how much I shape those packets.


So just chill man... no more caffeine or whatever it is you take, chill.


-Rhythmic

[Sandizzle]

alright man, w/e lets agree to disagree, or did that not work, this is never going to end, when I receive that email notification of a reply...I let out a sigh, and read these pointless posts that take up so much time...for what? nothing, so I am going to stop posting...