30 mm cannon video

[Epidemic]

Well I just saw the video.

Interesting thought on it.

There have been those who implied that these were just peaceful farmers. I question that concept for several reasons.

The use of thermal or infrared camera's may be standard operating proceedure during the day but I do not know if that is the case. Were these farmers out there farming their field at night? I would guess it was not day time also because. The comanche is a quite bird but not invisible by a long shot. How could these farmers have missed this bird flying over head? You might even say that they still were farmers during the day and did not fear the military. Well I still think this was at night because the farmers did not hide on the side of an object where they could avoid being hit. This implies that they did not know where the shots were coming from. Again a good indicator that they did not see the chopper which was at maximum 3000 feet away judging from bullet travel time Visible by any standard.

So I have determined that this was farmers dropping tools in the field at night so they can grow a new crop of moon beams

Disturbing video though. War is certainly an ugly thing to say the least.

If the news did clip the first part of this video it is clear evidence of a political agenda. It is clearly the defining piece of evidence. Also if the news failed to inform us of the fact it was night then it is a tremendously misleading broadcast designed to enflame the audience through it's vagueness


"it could be a low flying chopper out of sight of the victims of the henous crime"

True you may well be correct if the chopper was just above the ground. However If you calculate the angle of the bullets you can see that the ship was well over 100 feet above the ground if it was a mile away.

Those bullets were traveling at least at a 30 degree angle. with a one second travel time. You do the math 3,800 feet per second and an angle in excess of 20 degrees.

If the bullets were traveling at 45 degree angle that would put them at 3800 feet. I put the chopper at 1500 feet well with in the field of view of the chopper.

Also were the chopper just above the ground it would be raising a plume of dust in that environment which would have given you a chance to see and adjust your postion.

As it was if that guy was trying to surrender he was obviously doing so to the point of attack not the likely source of the attack.

I also do not see a plume of dust rising in the video as if the chopper were just above the ground.


"There are farm machines there with people in them"

What possible reason would their be to run out into a field and drop a farm tool (surprising similiar in shape to a rocket launcher)and several dozen feet an object surprisingly just about the right size to be a missile.

Just does not seem to pan out. Also a truck does not exclusively serve as a farm tool. It is a conveyance. I might agree if it was a combine or tractor. No this was a road worthy vehicle.

Side not a truck is pretty useless for three guys to try and havest into. I saw no sicles, an no large number of pickers that I would think were required to fill a truck of that nature.

could be wrong but I think the evidence is pretty convincing that this was a night exercise and does not bear the hallmarks of a farming day.

[Epidemic]

So you buy my arguments. Come on a few words would be nice.

[Kruzin]

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[Epidemic]

Post if you are going to post or get out of the thread. I am not interested in your opinion of how many posts are related to this topic. give input in keeping with the thread or get out please.

[Kruzin]

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[Epidemic]

The poll has six responses dude.
Now stop crapping this thread please

[whitebeard21]

The time indicated on the heads up display is 1037 and since the military uses 24 hour time it must be morning.
I have witnesed in farm country at least 500 farmers meet and stop in the middle of the road to talk just exactly like in the film clip.
The tractor was plowing the field not harvesting it. The man ran out and placed an objec on the ground directky in front of the tractors path where it would be run over if the tractor did not stop. Not what you want to do with a missle.
The tractor driver was the first person killed.
At an altitude and distance of 3800 feet it would take about 12 seconds to overfly the tractor and determine exactly what was on the ground at the same time keeping the discarded object on target for firing on at the first sign of agression. That is what should have been done. That is what we would have done in S.E. Asia.
This was wrong it does not follow the rules of land warfare. This makes Lt. Cali look like a sinday school teacher on a picnic.

[sharder8]

Let's see, Iraq is GMT+2 so that would be 1237, which is afternoon.

Easiest way to bury something is to drop into hole and have tractor go over it and bury it. But, what exactly was the object?

3,800 ft . . . . . 12 sec. . . . . . Apache . . . . . wouldn't take that long if he's already approaching with any speed!

But, I tell ya' one thing, if I was the pilot and I thought it might be a SAM . . . . . . I sure as heck wouldn't do a quick fly over to see what it was!!!!! (Sorry, but pilots do not appreciate flaming suppositories! )

I think it would be best to sit back and let the investigators do their job. They're there, they have the original film, they can recreate the incident and interview anyone near by, and they have the crew's After-Action Report!

Just my .02!

It's stuff like this that can be totally blown out of proportion and used to play with the minds of the feeble. (Trick of CA units in combat.)

Just MHO, of course.

Harder

[sharder8]

Originally posted by whitebeard21
That is what we would have done in S.E. Asia.

This was wrong it does not follow the rules of land warfare.

Give me a break whitebeard!!!

Different war, different time, different country, different tactics, etc.

Do you know and understand the "Rules of Land Warfare" as they are today?

I watched many changes in the 13 years I was in, and though most are subtle, it does change depending on many circumstances!

We tried to use antiquated "Rules of Land Warfare" in 'Nam, and look what happened!! We learned later, that the rules change depending on many things. France used WWI "Rules" at the beginning of WWII, and what happened to the Maginot Line?!? (And the examples go on and on and on!!)

Harder

[whitebeard21]

Then start a scirmish line at tha south end of the country and kill everything all the way to the north end. Or just nuke it but if you nuked it the oil wells couldn't be operated.