I think i got it figured out.

[Blazer06]

*crosses fingers... mature discussion... no thread craps...*

okay so i talked to this person for about an hour yesterday. she is a hard-core christian... and helped me figure some stuff out... and allowed me to be less depressed anyways.

basically we figured that

• a) religion is b******* (from her words)
  b) god was before everythihg, so he she it created everything, but was also nothing so we are all part of god, and nothing.
  c) explains why we should do stuff not for our benifit but the benifit to the whole
  d) love is god which is heaven which is pure emotion. hate is hell which is depression which is the lack of emotion.
  e) nothing you do really matters, and since you only can live once kyou might as well not of lived at all.
  f) every action has a equal and oppisite reaction (also newtons third law of motion... but im not tlaking about science)
  g) since you are god (or part of) to belive in god and to trust he she it, you only need to believe in yourself and trust yourself. something i know i dont do, and many others dont.

i would like your mature non-flaming comments (if possible). i would like this thread not to be locked. if you cannot have a civil discussion please stay out of this thread in its entirety.


Blaze

[Mickwish]

Ok, I'm in on this one, Blaze!

Let's see, one by one:

a) I agree with. Religion is a man-made phenomena. 'Nuff said.

b) We are part of Creation. God created it. Where HE came from have no idea, but He was before us and is more than us. But, yes, we are part of the whole Creation, which is God's.

c) You got that right!

d) Basically yes this is correct. It's a bit more complex than that, but if you want to simplify it, that's a reasonable attempt.

e) Don't agree. God gives us free wills to do as WE choose. So we can make a difference of some sort. Not in the "cosmic grand plan" sense, but it little, important ways. We CAN help or hurt others as we see fit. We have a choice.

f) Quite true. Everything you do has an impact. See e).

g) Nope. I think what you need to believe is that there IS a purpose for why you are here. Once you get that right, then the trust / self-esteem stuff comes natural. I believe God cares personally about me, and was willing to act on that. That makes me important in the scheme of things - an important part of Creation, if you like.

I like how you got to the bit about feeling good about yourself, though. I think you'd be able to follow the logic in CS Lewis's classic text Mere Christianity quite well.

Good thread - hope it don't get hijacked.

Cheers
Mick

[M_Six]

Whether a god exists or not, in any form, is a matter of personal belief. But this statement:

nothing you do really matters, and since you only can live once kyou might as well not of lived at all

I don't agree with at all. You can make a difference and EVERYTHING you do matters. You have it within yourself to change yourself and those around you. You can make the lives of those around you better, or much worse. Treat others with respect and dignity and they'll do the same for you (for the most part). Treat others like they're worthless and that's how they'll treat you.

...you only need to believe in yourself and trust yourself.

You're right with that statement. Add to that respect. You have to respect yourself before others will respect you.

[Blazer06]

sorry for the implied confusion about e) but this is what i meant: is like that if you only can live once... then you never can improve. like you never get another life (at least i dont think you do...), and you cant see your past descisions and say... o that was bad i need to do this.

idk. kinda hard to explain.

thanks for the comments.

mick: ill have to read that boook (have to read 500 pages for this trimester anyways)


Blaze

[tony_j15]

a) agreed.
b) God is a he, yes he created everything. Are we part of God? No. Are we part of his Creation? yes.
c) all for one and one for all? pretty much.
d) Love is God? No. God is love? yes. the difference? the former would be a non exisitant being, only a feeling. God is more than a feeling. Heaven is a place of true emotions, but so is hell.
e) what you do does matter for now and eternity
f) true
g) absolute BS. If we are 'god', then it would be impossible for him to be a perfect being, since we make mistakes. God is a truley seperate being, one that is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. and if we are part of god, would we not also have to be part of the devil? newtons 3rd law still applies according to you.

[Warthog]

All I gotta say is in reference to the title of the thread.....you'll never have it "figured out", nobody does

Warthog

[Blazer06]

lol @ Warthog.

g) absolute BS. If we are 'god', then it would be impossible for him to be a perfect being, since we make mistakes. God is a truley seperate being, one that is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. and if we are part of god, would we not also have to be part of the devil? newtons 3rd law still applies according to you.

well life as a whole (all life) is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent, undeniably.

interesting comment, i will think about it.


Blaze

[Blazer06]

ooo i got it. god for me and god for everybody else is different. some people need to belive in religion and stuff, and others need to believe in a being, whil i need to believe in myself. god isnt the same for people. god is an individual preference, a option in a way. you choose to believe, but whats required for you changes depending who you are.

as for the title of my thread Warthog.... i think i haev figured it out. but only for myself, and thats how it should be.


Blaze

[Optimus Prime]

Agree with most apart from e and g.

God is not a "he" imo.

[Optimus Prime]

Originally posted by Blazer06
ooo i got it. god for me and god for everybody else is different. some people need to belive in religion and stuff, and others need to believe in a being, whil i need to believe in myself. god isnt the same for people. god is an individual preference, a option in a way. you choose to believe, but whats required for you changes depending who you are.

as for the title of my thread Warthog.... i think i haev figured it out. but only for myself, and thats how it should be.


Blaze

You are quite correct! This is also what I believe too! Although the hardcore religious people won't like this statement, ignore them, and carry on thinking of stuff like this, it is interesting and expands the mind.