Lies Lies all lies bush tells nothing but lies.

[Epidemic]

Yep the whole 45 minute thing was made up by Bush and Blair

Now I am pissed.

Maybe I should read it again to make sure I understood what it said.

The officer, identified only as Lieutenant Colonel Al-Dabbagh and said to be head of a frontline air defence unit in the western desert, told the Sunday Telegraph he warned MI6 that Iraqi forces could use chemical or biological weapons on the battlefield against invading forces in less than 45 minutes.

He claimed that the only reason the weapons were not used was because most of the Iraqi army did not want to fight for Saddam.

Perhaps he is not for real but I guess only time will tell. But at this point My thoughts are that the anti war people have been lying. Lying through there teeth

I guess this story can be read several ways.

1 that he is lying for personal gain
begging the further question did he or someone else lie
to MI6 and other intelligence services for some reason (makiing their intelligence appear to be sound)

Saddam did tell them to use these weapons and they were just conventional. None the less giving the appearance that they were WMD.

Finally Chemical weapons of the shoulder fire variety were deployed to the field.

I do not see any other alternatives at this point.

It is interesting though.

Hmmm I wonder if Bush and Blair actually believed that saddam had WMD and were not lying for personal gain.

[OuTpaTienT]

Liar!



uT

[Gomer]

If you had a point I missed it.

[Atomic Rooster]

Of course you did.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster
Of course you did.

Well since you're so hip, please explain...

[Creatures]

you sound like shahani, you scare me

Creatures

[Epidemic]

"Hmmm I wonder if Bush and Blair actually believed that saddam had WMD and were not lying for personal gain."


Well Gomer,

I guess my point needs spelling out for you.

Point being that contrary to anti Bush rhetoric, Bush and Blairs intel may not have been fabricated in house for their own evil gains.

[Gomer]

If that is the case we may be seeing some magic beanstalks shooting up in front of the Whitehouse any day now =)

[TOAD6147]

Good one, Gomer. BTW, Epidemic, there were a whole series of lies and fabrications used to justify his folly. This guy's intel was discounted numerous times before for either personal gain or to simply smoke-screen for Saddam. Besides, if Bush were so pure of heart he should look foolish for letting such a thing unfold on such questionable intel. Clinton was ridiculed for lack of intel in Somalia and such a wimpified military so what's Gdubya's excuse. BTW, did you people see him on the Larry King show lastnight trying to stay focused on the position he's gotten us into in Iraq? He acted like he was now trying to convince even himself. It was simply pitiful.

[MTAtech]

In ancient times kings used to get advice from fortune tellers. In modern times leaders are supposed to make decisions based upon intelligence and analysis.

The analysis is the most important part because there is usually conflicting intelligence. There was a vast amount of evidence showing that Iraq was not a threat to any other nation with little or no WMD. If one had a propensity to demonize Saddam, one could discount that evidence in favor of a single Lieutenant who claimed the opposite.

However, this is a deflection intended to take us off the trail. The issue for the anti-war people was not whether Iraq actually possessed ANY WMD. The issue was whether Iraq was a threat to the U.S. and whether that justified invasion.

Even if Iraq had WMD that could be used in 45 minutes wouldn't have mattered unless a country invaded it. So what? The U.S. has more deadly nuclear WMD that can be launched within ten minutes if attacked.

It still stands that Iraq was no threat to any nation, had no link to 9/11 and no nuclear program and was not intent upon harming the U.S. These were the Bush/Blair justifications for war and none of them were real. It should further cast doubt upon the decision making skills of these two leaders.