And I was losing faith in the U S Navy

[pickel]

After years or hearing and reading how my Navy was getting soft and undisiplined, a decision with much merit and total sense comes to pass.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/06/gay...mni/index.html

Myself, I wouldn't serve under a homsexual officer, I either get a transfer or have my voice heard at a court martial.

[TOAD6147]

Not that I'm advocating the formation of this chapter for any reason and my opinions of gay-rights has nothing to do with my opinion on this. But, IMO, he does have a reason to complain as far as why his chapter would be any less valid than an RV chapter. If they don't want a gay chapter then they need to say so but then they need to disolve all those chapters that doen't fit the profile of "formed by geography". If you're going to deny his special interest then they need to deny all if only in an effort to appear fair. Fairness is what out country is supposed to be about.

[J-Excel]

There's a difference between this proposed chapter and other special interest groups. There's still a "don't ask, don't tell" policy in the military.

I had a problem serving with homosexuals. In the army there is community living in the barracks. Are homosexuals supposed to cohabitate with people they might be sexually attracted to? If not, do you house them with the opposite sex? If you house them with the opposite sex what’s to stop a straight soldiers from “outing” themselves just to live with the opposite sex. I had a known homosexual soldier grab my crotch when we were paired together for 6 weeks of desert training. I stabbed him with a screwdriver. I’m sure my experience wasn’t uncommon.

[TOAD6147]

What's the "difference", J-Excel? Special interest is special interest. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with your personal views of homosexuality. And did you stab the guy because he really assaulted you or because you knew he was homosexual and were able to use that as an excuse? Did you know he was a "homo" before this? I mean, its's obvious what your "tendincies" are in relation "them" so I don't think it a far stretch of the imagination to assume you could do something like this for no real reason other than "homos aren't real people", right? Especially given your idealogical "lean" to the far-right and you can talk about it with apparent pride. BTW, what were the legal ramifications of YOUR assult on HIM?

[J-Excel]

The difference is the gay special interest is illegal in the military. "Don't ask, don't tell" is a military policy (Clinton's in fact), not mine.

And no, I didn't attack the guy for being gay. I had the screwdriver in my hand at the time that he groped me. I stabbed him in the hand out of reflex. If I were to have groped a female soldier under similar circumstances I would not have been surprised to get a screwdriver through my hand. It was a result of HIS assault on ME that got him injured. If I were truly homophobic I would have beat the guy to within an inch of his life.

[Gomer]

What if it were a female who groped you?

Anyways TOAD, give up on him. He is blind to what you are trying to say.

[J-Excel]

I'm sure I would have had a different reaction if it were a welcomed advance. And I'm not blind to what he's trying to say. I just think that not all special interest groups can be treated equally in all circumstances. Would you welcome NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) meetings in your local community center, especially if your children played there?

The military has a policy regarding homosexuality. This special interest groups violates that policy. Maybe you're blind to what I'm trying to say.

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally posted by J-Excel
If I were to have groped a female soldier under similar circumstances I would not have been surprised to get a screwdriver through my hand.

No, more than likely she would hve reported it and you would have been court marshalled and discharged dishonorably. I dare a soldier today to report that he was "groped" by another soldier. It aint going to happen.

From the article:

The environment at Annapolis has been disapproving and damaging for high-achieving gays and lesbians for many years. All 30 of us have lived through that.

Awww.... That's just awfull.

[J-Excel]

Atomic Rooster, if I would have reported it I would have been ridiculed something fierce by the other guys in my battalion. It’s embarrassing enough talking about it 15 years later anonymously on the Internet. Even so I sometimes wish I had reported it and got the guy court marshaled, for being gay and sexual assault, take your pick. The guy transferred to Korea right after that. I didn’t find out until after he left but before he left someone asked him why he wanted to go to Korea. He told him he wanted to molest little boys there. I think everyone thought he was joking. I’m not so sure.

[TOAD6147]

This guy was obviously not just gay but a sick preditor. Actually, he may not even been a true gay. I'm sure a true gay would not have done such a thing.