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Old 12-01-2003, 06:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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FBI MEMORANDOM

To spy on our own people.

WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today denounced a classified FBI intelligence memorandum, obtained by the New York Times, which gives police detailed instructions on how to TARGET AND MONITOR lawful political demonstrations under the rubric of fighting terrorism.

“Attorney General Ashcroft has dismissed critics of the Justice Department’s tactics as 'hysterical' and has even said that such criticism aids the terrorists,” said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU Executive Director. “But this bulletin confirms that the federal government is targeting innocent Americans engaged in nothing more than lawful protest and dissent. The American people deserve an explanation for what is clearly a return to the days of J. Edgar Hoover’s spying tactics.”

According to a front-page story in today’s New York Times, the memorandum was circulated last month to local law enforcement agencies around the country in advance of mass marches and rallies in Washington, DC and San Francisco against the U.S. occupation in Iraq.

The memorandum, the Times reports, details how protesters have sometimes used “training camps” to rehearse for demonstrations, the Internet to raise money and gas masks to defend against tear gas. It describes lawful activities like recruiting demonstrators, as well as illegal activities like using fake documentation to get into a secured site.

“It is troubling that the FBI is advocating spying on peaceful protesters, but even protesters who engage in civil disobedience or other disruptive acts should not be treated like potential terrorists,” Romero said.

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"While saying that the FBI possesses no information about any planned unlawful activity, the bulletin urges local law enforcement “to be alert to these possible indicators of protest activity and report any potentially illegal acts” to federal authorities"
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FROM http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=14450&c=206

OK AS MUCH as I disagree with some of the things the ACLU has done, I happen to agree with them with this issue. For ANY federal agency to be spying on any legal activity is a waste of resources and (I think) an infringment of our freedoms.

I always thought that demonstrations were allowed in our society.

I am curious, HOW IS videotaping police officers an "intimidation technique" that will prevent the arrest of others??

Also I say that IF there is evidence then they should go into action. NOT before. Your supposed to be innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty, not the other way around.

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Old 12-01-2003, 06:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Perhaps George Soros is not off mark. 'He hears echoes in its rhetoric of his childhood in occupied Hungary...' it reminds me of the Germans." ' http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

The obvious outcome is to stifle dissent over the war.
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Old 12-01-2003, 07:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Just wait until Patriot Act, Part 2 is enacted and all these Bush neo-con followers close their pearly-whites to more loss of Constitutional freedoms. If it weren' t for the liberals there wouldn't be anything left of Constitutionally protected freedoms.
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Actually TOAD, I was watching The McLaughlin Group yesterday and Pat Buchannon was really critical of Bush's war. I suspect libertarians would object to the civil lib loss too.
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Well, actually you're right MATech. But as far as these guys are concerned it's only liberals that would second guess Georgie boy and his cabinet.
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On a similar note, Tucker Carlson yesterday on one of the pol-talk shows (Fox Sunday ??) expressed surprise that none of the traditonal conservatives save McCain and very few others have attacked the spending binge that Congress has gone on.

BTW, in TechIMO's front page news about the expansion of the FBI's authority mentioned that they (the FBI) have set up a website for those who wish to object to their newly-won powers. Now who is going to volunteer to register their dissent?
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