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Originally posted by Chuckiechan
MTA, do you mean our side is killing more non-combatants than the enemy is? Just who filled up the mass graves? And you are saying that the US is responsible for the lawlessness caused partly by Saddam emptying the prisons? The rest is caused by the fact that there is a terrorist war going on and the bad guys (anti-US to clarify for you) are targeting civilians and other non-combatants. Who is blowing up building full of civilian aid workers? Is the US setting bombs off in Turkey, too?
Where do you get your facts that "everyone else is taking part in it?" Let me guess...Al Franken? Michael Moore? Jane Fonda? San Francisco Examiner? NY Times?
Excuse me for taking you seriously... |
You are trying to put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I didn't say 'our side is killing more non-combatants than the enemy is.' I am saying that instability and loss of any civil authority that controls lawless murder now exists in Iraq as a direct result of the U.S. invasion. We cannot shed responsibility of that. This should have been taken into consideration before the rush to war was decided. It is clear that what is occurring now was warned by our own State Department but the reports were ignored. A real president – one with intellect and wisdom, would have built that into the calculation. A real president also would have the courage to admit mistakes and accept responsibility.
Speak to anyone who has lived in Iraq under Saddam. Life for most people was pretty much normal. People went to work, socialized, enjoyed entertainment, listened to music, etc. In addition, nobody, especially women, had to worry about being attacked in their homes or on the street.
Where do I get my facts? First, you belittle the NY Times as if it is non-reputable source, instead of one of the best newspapers in the world. Second, some of my facts, in this post, come from Nicholas Kristof, who has spent considerable time in Iraq and writes about what is both good and bad about the occupation. I judge the oppinion of someone who has been there first hand over any of us that has not.
Second, other facts come from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). See below:
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CIA has a bleak analysis of Iraq
Posted on Wed, Nov. 12, 2003
A report found more civilians there are supporting the resistance. It conflicts with upbeat public assessments.
By Jonathan S. Landay
Inquirer Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON - A new, top-secret CIA report from Iraq warns that growing numbers of Iraqis are concluding the U.S.-led coalition can be defeated and are supporting the insurgents.
The report paints a bleak picture of the political and security situation in Iraq and cautions that the U.S.-led drive to rebuild the country as a democracy could collapse unless corrective actions are taken immediately.
L. Paul Bremer, leader of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq, who arrived unexpectedly in Washington for strategy sessions yesterday, essentially endorsed the CIA’s findings, a senior administration official said.
The report’s bleak tone and Bremer’s private endorsement differ sharply with the upbeat public assessments that President Bush, his chief aides, and even Bremer are giving as part of an aggressive publicity campaign aimed at countering rising anxieties over increasing U.S. casualties in Iraq.
Two senior administration officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the document is classified, described the report’s findings in broad terms but did not detail any recommendations.
The report landed on the desks of senior U.S. officials on Monday. Disclosures on the report’s findings suggested senior policymakers want to make sure the assessment reaches Bush.
Some senior policymakers have expressed frustration in efforts to provide Bush with more somber analyses of the situation in Iraq than the optimistic views presented by Vice President Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and other hard-liners.
The CIA analysis suggests U.S. policy in Iraq has reached a turning point, as the Bush administration moves to escalate the war against the guerrillas and accelerate the transfer of political power to Iraqis.
Both options are potentially risky.
An escalation of the military campaign could cause more civilian casualties and drive more Iraqis to the insurgents’ side.
At the same time, the CIA assessment warns that none of the postwar Iraqi political institutions and leaders have shown an ability to govern the country or even preside over drafting a constitution or holding an election.
Upon his arrival in Washington yesterday, Bremer went directly into a White House meeting with Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, and other key officials.
The meeting focused on how to break the political logjam in Baghdad and speed planning for the nation’s future.
Bremer’s hurried flight to Washington caught his staff by surprise and forced him to cancel a meeting with Poland’s prime minister, Leszek Miller.
Some U.S. officials believe key members of the 25-member Iraqi Governing Council are stalling their work in hopes of winning concessions from U.S. leaders under political pressure to turn over power to the Iraqis.
U.S. officials have become deeply frustrated with not only the inaction by the Iraqi council, but also with its nepotism and infighting. The U.S.-appointed body of Iraqi politicians has limited powers to govern Iraq. The council also is in charge of overseeing the drafting of a constitution.
The White House meeting also discussed moves to speed recruiting for Iraqi security forces, including a new army.
More than 118,000 Iraqis are serving in the army, police and other forces, and U.S. officials aim to raise the total to more than 220,000 in 2004.
Accelerating a restoration of Iraqi self-rule, speeding security-force recruiting, and intensifying a U.S. counterinsurgency campaign form the crux of a new U.S. strategy to crush the insurgents, consolidate the support of ordinary Iraqis for democracy-building efforts, and reduce the U.S. military presence.
The senior administration officials said the CIA assessment was composed by the CIA station chief in Baghdad, a veteran operations officer who oversees more than 275 officers.
The report is known as an AARDWOLF, a special field assessment that is usually requested by senior policymakers in Washington at important junctures in overseas crises.
The report, one official said, warned that aggressive U.S. counterinsurgency tactics could induce more Iraqis to join the guerrilla campaign that has killed at least 153 U.S. soldiers - 35 of them this month - since Bush declared an end to major combat operations on May 1.
The report also added to concerns about the governing council. The group, which is dominated by former Iraqi exiles with little popular support, has failed to convince ordinary Iraqis that the occupation is temporary and will lead to a unified, sovereign Iraq, the report said.
Bremer has been formulating ways “in which the Governing Council can evolve into a decision-making body to move the constitutional process along,” a third senior U.S. official said, also on condition of anonymity.
He denied reports that the Bush administration is considering replacing the council.
One senior administration official said the report warned that the coalition’s inability to crush the insurgents is convincing growing numbers of Iraqis that the occupation can be defeated, bolstering support for the insurgents.
The CIA report raised the concern that majority Shiite Muslims could begin joining minority Sunnis in turning against the occupation.
Friction between occupation authorities and the Shiites has been intensifying, fueled by events such as a U.S. soldier’s killing of the mayor of Sadr City, a massive Shiite slum in Baghdad, this week.
In another finding, the CIA report said there was no way to completely seal Iraq’s borders with Syria, Turkey, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to infiltration by foreign Islamic extremists bent on killing Americans.
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Contact reporter Jonathan Landay at
jlanday@krwashington.com. This article contains information from the Associated Press.
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