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Old 11-18-2003, 01:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Neo-Iconoclasts: “Destroy the Ten Commandments!"

I can’t help but notice that the all out attack to remove any vestiges of Christian symbolism from public display is very much similar to what happened in past cultures by iconoclasts. These past self-righteous (and self anointed) iconoclasts considered it duty to purge their societies of what they considered heathen idolatry. But the term is now also used to depict anyone who wishes to smash the vestiges of past cultural mores’ and (or) beliefs from their society.

The similitudes with today’s champions of purging the public display of the Ten Commandments with the icon breakers are astounding. In past cultures the iconoclasts wielded their clout by fundamentalist interpretations of tenants they considered inviolable.

Point: “Separation of Church and State.”

This is the mantra of the neo-iconoclasts. But look! One must interpret this so-called edict* quite literally, almost as an absolute, to swallow the ‘logic’ that follows.
They reason, that just because one of the founding fathers mentioned such a phrase, the whole of our idealisms toward religion and its place in Government should be thus defined as an absolute separation.

Yeah Right!
You’d have to have a very rudimentary knowledge of both US history and philosophy to swallow such absolutism.
Point #1: There is no true ‘separation of church and state’.
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In the Capitol building just across the street, the House of Representatives and the Senate begin each day’s proceedings with prayer, often led by a chaplain whose salary is paid by the American taxpayers, as has been the practice for more than 200 years.
This one point in itself dispels all the myth perpetuated by the liberal media and the ACLU. If there exists a 'separation' why does each session begin with prayer, which evokes the name of whom for guidance?
God!

Point #2: the use of religion in art and public display are part of our culture, just as the Ten Commandments are.
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It isn’t easy to see, considering it’s perched 555 feet above the National Mall, but sitting atop the Washington Monument is a 100-ounce pyramid of solid aluminum inscribed with the phrase Laus Deo, “Praise be to God.”

One mile to the west of that grand structure, in the imposing courtroom where the Supreme Court hears the important cases of the land, there is a marble depiction of Moses carrying two tablets representing the Ten Commandments. Just beneath it, on the wooden doors of the courtroom, is another depiction of the Law of Moses.
by U.S. Rep. John Hostettler August 1, 2001, from ”The Church/State Separation Fallacy” * HERE!


After reading this letter one must conclude the neo-iconoclasts are what they are: anti-religion fundamentalist with the same shallow mind set as those they supposedly loath, the religious fundamentalists.
My point is: think about what they represent. They don't represent tolerance of others because they are the very epitome of intolerance to others who think differently from themselves.

(Edited for softening of language and to promote healthy non 'ad hominem' debate.)


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Old 11-18-2003, 01:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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How many stinking SoCaS threads do we need?
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Old 11-18-2003, 01:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Do you ever post outside of the community forum, and about something that doesn't have any relation to religion?



Keep flogging that horse.

Hmmm should it stay or should it go?
Why haven't I seen you say this to someone that has your political point of view??

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Old 11-18-2003, 02:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The whole thing is obviously written by Fundanmentalist author.

Too biased and skewed to even begin to debate.

You know, this almost looks like an attack on a recognized world religion. Now, I don't care who you are or what your religion is, but there will be no attacks on specific religions here. Zealots are one thing, but never attack someones religion
I have never seen an attack on a religion outright and if anyone else is this happen please let me know. Sorry if I misunderstand your intent, but if I do others could. So please edit this post for me.

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EDIT: I have removed any reference to a particular religion. I did not mean to attack/single out any religion, but was responding to the artilce linked above. If anyone has misunderstood my intent, I apologize. For me all religions are equally good.

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Old 11-18-2003, 02:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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How many stinking SoCaS threads do we need?
Haha as many as is needed.

Got to remember that the ten commandments are also part and parcel of history not just "some rules" that are discussed about.

The fact that a MINORITY(less than 2% - less than the percentage of Gays, at 7%) is trying to have them removed from the USA is reason enough for us to try and make sure everyone knows our opinions.
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Old 11-18-2003, 02:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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But according to the Courts, the 2% is right and 98% wrong. Assuming these are correct percentages.

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Old 11-18-2003, 02:48 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I didn't post this thread, either...
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Old 11-18-2003, 02:52 PM   #8 (permalink)
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ITs ok Theo,

We forgive you for not being brave enough to , er, Nothing
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Old 11-18-2003, 03:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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shahani sez:
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The whole thing is obviously written by Fundanmentalist Christian author
Too biased and skewed to even begin to debate.
Most of it is just plain ordinary fact, not supposition.
DEAL WITH IT!!
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Old 11-18-2003, 04:08 PM   #10 (permalink)
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You're a freak!

Who are you talking to mpc?

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