Death penalty questions

[Theophylact]

If you can escape execution by pleading guilty to killing 48 people,

(1) How many more would you have to kill before a prosecutor wouldn't accept a plea;

(2) How few could you kill before the prosecutor would consider the death penalty too extreme?

As you probably know, I'm an anti-death-penalty absolutist. But this case would seem to represent a reductio ad absurdum for death-penalty advocates.

[John Prophet]

Let me ask an unrelated question, lol.

What do you do for fun???? lol.

JP

[Theophylact]

You mean this isn't fun? (TechIMO, that is, not the death penalty...)

[Bovon]

Originally posted by Theophylact

As you probably know, I'm an anti-death-penalty absolutist. But this case would seem to represent a reductio ad absurdum for death-penalty advocates.

Speak english...for crying out loud!!

As for my personal beliefs concerning a death penalty.. I have struggled with this in my "gut" since I became (hopefully) a mature adult.

In that I mean.. if someone attacked one of mine and did harm that would or could bring in the death penalty, I would have no qualms putting that individual to death.. I think I could probably 'do the honors' myself.

If the death penalty was incurred due to something happening to someone outside of my own family, I would have (some) different thoughts.

There are few things that have caused greater conflict within my own being.

[John Prophet]

I dont see that case making the death penalty absurd in any way. I see it showing how messed up some judges/DA's are for accepting any such plea bargain.

That dude shulda fried....next question?

But seriously theo..it seems as if you go out of your way to try to find absurd stuff as if it disproves the validity of the things you are against.....seems to me more like it disproves YOUR credibility a bit.....you are not at all trying to show arguments on both sides of anything, lol.

Do you see what I am saying at all??

We could take your approach and discredit everything in society....find one crooked cop and then we can just shelve the whole police force! correct???

Find one whacko doctor and we'll write of all medicinal practice!!

To me that seems to be your logic....am I misinterpreting something here or not???

Presenting the absurd far edges of whacko peoples behavoir proves nothing to no one....except maybe as a display of weak logic.

JP

[SeanC]

48 people??!!!!!

I can understand pleading guilty for small things, like kicking your neighbours cat because it had been bothering you for ages, would change the sentence. But for MURDER of 48 PEOPLE?? What is the justice system coming too??

Sean

[John Prophet]

Almost seems more like the police decided they had a lot of unsolved murders they needed to clean up...so they offered the dude his life if he would claim those murders, lol.

You have to realize...there is more than one thing in question here....laws (death penalty) and then the enforcement of those laws (judicial system etc).

Two different puppies.

But you all already know that. We're all adults here.

[alivin]

If this looney saves time and money by pleading guilty, good.
From what I understand it's cheaper to keep him alive in jail than going through all the appeals processes. Not to mention, saving court time.

[korgul]

Originally posted by alivin

From what I understand it's cheaper to keep him alive in jail than going through all the appeals processes. Not to mention, saving court time.

They would still appeal the life sentence though.


It has come to the point that the victim has less rights than the one that commited the crimes. We are becoming a society that is constantly worried that we might upset someone with what we say or do.
I think my boss said it best when he said that we ( America ) are going to get our @ss handed to us in a war within 100 years, because we are breeding a bunch of wimps that worry to much about the other person and how they will feel.

Sorry back on topic

If the guy says yeah I did it and we have sustantial evidence to prove that he did indeed do it. Well, a bullet only costs a few cents, take him outside and and be done with it. No more sitting in prison for years. They are treated better than some people who fell on hard times.

Tongue Tied

[alivin]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by korgul
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They would still appeal the life sentence though.


If he pleads guilty he is agreeing to the sentence, he could only appeal if some huge error turned up in the evidence or procedure of his trial. I doubt if that happens much, only on Law & Order.