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Old 11-05-2003, 10:41 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Hmmmm, I am tourn on this one.

I can't think of any modern christian group who is killing in the name of jesus for religious sake. There may be some who invoke gods name as to the justness of their cause.

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Old 11-06-2003, 12:07 AM   #32 (permalink)
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What gave anyone the idea that if someone actually defeated the USA and invaded us they would rebuild the country!!!

We are the only ones that do that. Everyone else handles the vanquished only slightly better than the way it was done 1000 years ago!

Get a grip! We are the only nation that tries to prevent future wars by bring prosperity to the losers!

"Let no good deed go unpunished!"

BTW: The odds of winning at powerball are nearly the same whether you play it or not. (Infinity munus the number of tickets bought). We may turn Iraq into another Germany. We need a base in the middle east. But eventually Iraq will become a peaceful member of the world community.
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:07 AM   #33 (permalink)
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In your dreams.
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Old 11-06-2003, 03:47 AM   #34 (permalink)
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We are the only ones that do that.
Do you honestly believe that? So no other countries provide aid to the injured parties after a conflict, just the USA? You live in a very strange world.
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Get a grip! We are the only nation that tries to prevent future wars by bring prosperity to the losers!
So no other nations are envolved with rebuilding countries after conflict? Non at all? Just the USA? Wow, good job you guys are around then.
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BTW: The odds of winning at powerball are nearly the same whether you play it or not. (Infinity munus the number of tickets bought).
What on earth are you talking about? To the best of my knowledge infinity does not exist in the form of a concept that you can apply the rules of conventional arithmetic to. You may as well try and take the Log of an omelette.
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But eventually Iraq will become a peaceful member of the world community.
One can only hope that this is the case, maybe if we keep killing them they will even achieve this goal before the US and the rest of the western world.

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Old 11-06-2003, 06:34 AM   #35 (permalink)
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The resistance in Iraq shows that so far everything is happening within the boundaries of normality, a powerful nation invades a weaker one due to geo-political and strategic reasons. Politicians on both sides find cover stories for their actions. The invading army needs to stabilise the invaded country, so that it can have in the future, a willing ally in the region, access to an army base in the heart of the region, and access to the wealth of resources.

Then there is a natural reaction to the invading force, it is called resistance (despite what the politicians of the invading country call it), and is given coverage by the people of the invaded country. It’s a natural reaction, it is to be found in all cases through out history where one country invaded another, the American politicians don’t have to fabricate stories to claim that only Saddam loyalists and fanatics are fighting the American army no one who is educate can believe such a thing, it’s contrary to human nature and also to human history.

The rebuilding of Iraq has nothing to do with good will, it is not a sign of how 'nice' or 'great' America is, or how 'different' they are from other nations in the past.

France and Britain built universities, railways, ports, hospitals, roads etc.. in their colonies because they needed stable and productive colonies so that they could make a profit, invading a small village in the Congo is not going to get you much if you don't invest in making it a productive source. They didn't do any of this out of good will, or because they cared about the inhabitants of the colonies they invaded, in fact if you read what their Orientalists wrote about the inhabitants it is obvious that they thought they were superior and that the inhabitants of what they called the ‘East’ were just morons who were waiting to be educated about European and Western values, Christianity, democracy etc.. (much like today)

This is all power-politics. it's been like that since the earliest of times, the only difference today is that the players wear suites, use computers and have tanks and airplanes where as in the past they rode horses and wore robes. The ideologies and behaviours are the same, it's obvious to anyone who has seriously read about these things.

Wake up. This is nothing new, it’s a natural cycle. Same crap, different year.
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Old 11-06-2003, 08:04 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Anyone who says that invading nations do not rebuild has no sense of history at all.

The British Empire, stretching half-way across the world was an example. The British were responsible not only for setting up one of the largest railway network on the Indian subcontinent but also the Administration and Government.

The British brought the English language and set up many educational institutions.

I'm sure there are many other examples of rebuilding.
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Old 11-06-2003, 11:22 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I am an American. I was born and raised here. To equate us almost unequivocally with imperialist nations of the past is a logical error. The reason? We are a good hearted people. Did we exploit Japan or Germany after WWII? No, so this makes a majority of the imperialist comparison false. Does the US and other countries want a stable moderate Arab nation that hopefully will not spread the cancer of Islamic fundamentalism? Yes, and there are many more reasons than those that meet the eye. But I seriously do not believe that the USA has intentions on exploiting Iraqi wealth except other than to perhaps cover its losses.
And yes, repay the soldiers families who paid the ultimate price with money meant for France and Germany. If I were in Congress I would propose such legislation.
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Old 11-06-2003, 11:43 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Well, bully for you.

Incidentally,

im·pe·ri·al·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pîr--lzm)
n.
The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.

The system, policies, or practices of such a government.


Maybe you ought to consult a dictionary/thesaurus before using multisyllable words.
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Old 11-06-2003, 12:08 PM   #39 (permalink)
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You were born and raised in America? That's probably your first problem. Most Americans have no sense of what's going on in reality.

Sadly, it begins right before high school. Kids are taught to believe that the U.S. is the greatest, and doesn't do any harm. Unfortunately no one wants to try and learn something different...

When you are trying to say the U.S. has good ethics world wide, you shouldn't admit you were born in the U.S. and raised here.
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Old 11-06-2003, 12:22 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Leave him alone, Mike.

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