That's the new strategy of the Iraqi resistance

[shahani]

Nothing is permanent in politics and business. Today's friends are tomorrow's enemies. To a large extent, the US was instrumental in arming Saddam because it made economic sense.

So is the US hypocritical?

Of course.

But then so are most countries.

What I abhor is the "High Moral Attitude" taken by this country.

Crap.

Its all about power and money and oil.

Always has been.

Always will be.

Nobody cares for the Iraqis or anyone else.

Its only money.

[J-Excel]

Originally posted by ClubMed
Who is it that sent money and arms shipments to Saddam? Could it have been the very noble westerners that today call him evil?

Not to make excuses, but Saddam was considered the lesser of two evils at the time. We helped Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war, but not so much that it lead to a quick victory. Perhaps the real travesty there is that we didn’t help more, because the limited help we gave caused the war to go on longer than it would have otherwise.

I wonder who on earth would be open to have their country built by foreigners, based on how the foreigners see the world. Does that mean you J-Excel would be willing to betray your nation and allow a foreign power to build your country for you if the roles were switched?

I responded to this in the ":(" thread. In addition I’d like to say that if the tables were turned the whole world would be calling a resistance solely on the basis of religion and race hatred bigotry.

How do you know they cant build their country? Have they been given the freedom to do so themselves or is there a US controled pseudo-government with an American at it's head calling the shots and deciding that the priorities are?

They could not possible go it alone right now. It would be anarchy. Despite the efforts of the "resistance" to turn it into anarchy there is some semblance of stability under US control. My hope is that the rebuilding process goes as quickly as possible and the country is turned over to the Iraqi people under self-rule. I see the “resistance” doing more to get in the way of this rather than speeding the process along.

[wallie_x]

And the worst atrocities - the beheading of children, the raping and throat-cutting of women, the slaughter of policemen - were committed at the start of Ramadan.

The point that gets missed is that bigotry resides in all camps; but it seems most fervent in Islam. How could anyone with any true sense of religion advocate brutal murder and then satanically call it a holy thing. If Islam is incapable of policing itself, and ridding itself of these religious super Nazi's, then the world will do it for them.

[RayH]

Iraq is turning out to be a war of wishful thinking on the part of Bush. The problem is Bush wants Iraq to be like the Christian west. But its the Islamic East.

The strange thing about guerrilla wars is that they generally never militarily defeated great powers. They just won the war of attrition.

To win this guerrilla war, Bush is going to have to be more ruthless than Saddam Hussein ever was!

[shahani]

The point that gets missed is that bigotry resides in all camps; but it seems most fervent in Islam.

Not true at all. Its in every religion. You can't quantify these things accurately. By saying "most fervent in Islam" all you're doing is two things:

1) Telling us its your personal opinion
2) That you are not Islamic

[Chuckiechan]

Obviously, if we follow the Clinton doctrine and cut and run, everyone who sided with the USA will be killed by the Baath party when they recapture power.

It is not in the strageic interest of the USA to leave Iraq. What anyone else wants is a non-starter.

The best peace plan in the world is Democracy. Can anyone name a Democracy that has started a war, other than the US?

[shahani]

Can anyone name a Democracy that has started a war, other than the US?

No.

[muno]

The russians would say finland Their schoolbooks still claim that we started the war.

This might be considered thread crapping, as I'm not about to comment these threads
-M

[wallie_x]

shahani sez:
"Not true at all. Its in every religion. You can't quantify these things accurately. By saying "most fervent in Islam" all you're doing is two things:
1) Telling us its your personal opinion
2) That you are not Islamic

Quote interpreted out of context (because of selective attention?).
"The point that gets missed is that bigotry resides in all camps; but it seems most fervent in Islam.'
The words "seems' mollifies the statement strongly.

Question: Where are we seeing the most anti-Israeli bigotry?
Answer: Islam

Question: What Theocentric religion(s) preach murder as justified in the name of God?
Answer: Only within certain factions of Islam.

Question: Are not a large majority of Moslems sympathetic to these so-called martyrs? [murderers]
Answer: Yes!

""I have the same religion as the Sept. 11 terrorists," Feda says, "but the terrorists make it completely different.... They stretch the ideas of Islam, and think their attack was justified because it was a jihad [holy war].... But really, killing innocent people is not a jihad - nor is it even allowed in Islam."
Feda Eid 14 yo Moslem. Source:HERE!

The truly sad thing is that Islam is failing to raise a strong voice to condemn the satanic beliefs (wrought within its own cult) about murder justified in the name of God. My personal perception is that this is mostly due to the blinding hate they have for both Israel and the USA. Murderers are apostates, not followers of God; and more voices need to raise the cry that I'm echoing. To bad people who choose to view life through rose colored glasses are the very same people who refuse to condemn the killing of innocents in both abortion or by the murders wrought by religious fanatics within Islam.
Secular Liberalism: The religion of the blind.

[J-Excel]

WTH does secular or liberalism have to do with this? And why do you insist on linking the two? There are secular conservatives and religious liberals.

No need to answer. Just pointing out that not only is that comment off topic, it is also wrong.