72 virgins is apparently provided for in the hadith

[Epidemic]

http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/amislam/virgins.htm

Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, head of the Cultural Institute of the Italian Islamic Community, and a true Islamic scholar, had this to say: "The only ridiculous thing is that someone who claims to be an 'Islamic scholar' makes public declarations which prove beyond any possible doubt that he has never read the Commentary of Ibn Kathir and 'Sunan' of Imam at-Tirmidhi, which are basic books for the knowledge of Islam. Unfortunately, this attribution of chairs to ignoramuses seems to be the rule in American Islamic Centers controlled by the fundamentalist network of the 'Muslim Brotherhood.' "

According to Islam, Palazzi goes on to say, there are 72 wives for every believer who is admitted to Heaven, and not only for a martyr. The proof is a hadith which is collected by at-Tirmidhi in "Sunan" (volume IV, chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah," Chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven," hadith 2687).

It is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Koranic Commentary) of Surah ar-Rahman (55), ayah (verse) 72: "It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham Abdullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.' Ibn Kathir explained in 'al-Bidayah wa an-Nihayah' that al-Jabiyyah is the name of a suburb of Damascus.

"That those 72 wives are virgin is proved by the ayah 74 of the same Surah: "No man or jinn has ever touched them before." [...]

I have not been able to locate it in the hadith But I am also lost.

I wish the test was in a continuous form instead of links so that I might searcheth it.

But for those who either know the hadith or who are better searchers than myself I would be beholden to the one who can dispel the myth or prove that islam does teach somewhere about virgins. as a gift to those who live a righteous life or martyr themselves.

[Epidemic]

Edited to remove the flaming review of islam.
I had a link here but it was just too inflametory. It basically pointed out all the claims of violence and brutality of islam by the sword. dang that was harsh.

I am still looking for the virgins thing

[ClubMed]

So far you have posted 2 articles by Jews about Islam (one by a Rabbi and one by a Jewish journalist) in two different threads. And what's amazing is that you are actually using these articles as a basis not only to post threads and posts about the subject, but also to constantly try to refute the answers I give you.

In the middle ages people looked for witches and sorcerers and found them. So yes, keep looking Epidemic, and good luck.

I hereby officially resign as in-house Islam expert. I will no longer answer any questions or clear up any garbage when I see it, people obviously have their minds made up even before they ask me questions, and I have better things to do with my time.

So once again, good luck.

[Good Companion]

ClubMed:

Please don't. I've heard the 72 virgins thing several times and wonder what the real story is.

I can tell you that most of the people I speak to are highly offended that these folks are using Islam to justify their actions.

Dana

[OuTpaTienT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri

But then while searching I ran into (and got sidetracked by) this wonderful page. I seriously doubt there is anybody here open minded enough to digest what this page is about, but if you think you're open minded, challenge yourself, and read this:

http://www.primechoice.com/philosoph...homebottom.htm

then read this:

http://www.primechoice.com/philosophy/shelp/home4.htm

[OuTpaTienT]

http://www.primechoice.com/philosophy/jihad.htm

[ClubMed]

Originally posted by Good Companion
ClubMed:

Please don't. I've heard the 72 virgins thing several times and wonder what the real story is.

I can tell you that most of the people I speak to are highly offended that these folks are using Islam to justify their actions.

Dana

Sorry but I just dont see apoint anymore (in explaining anything about Islam or Arabs to anyone), I often do a lot of research to answer peoples questions, but then someone will post links to some weirdo sites with fanatic and completely surreal text about Islam and they will ask me why that site states something different than what I said.

So I sit there wondering why I spend an hour researching when anyone can make a website and claim to have all the answers, and there are people who accept anything they read without questioning it.

There are loads of sites out there that attempt to explain to you how negative Islam is, OuT found one of them. If such answers are enough for you, or if you would rather trust some site you came across than a member you have known for 2 years then do so.

If you want to believe that these things are in the Quran then please by all means believe it.

As far as I'm concerned watching the paint dry is more rewarding

P.s. This post is not directed at Dana in particular.
P.p.s This is why a Quran is only considered true if it's in Arabic. Huri does not mean virgin in Arabic, the same wy that Jihad does not mean holy war.

[shahani]

But, in fairness CM, it must be said that your links are also somewhat biased--a lot are Al Jazeera and other Arabic sites.

I think in final analysis, there are fanatics in Islam just as in any religion. Religion has nothing to do with these peopel. They hijack religion to justify their evil ways. And as I say they are in every religion, without exception.

The intensity varies--you don't have too many (if any) Buddhist Terrorists. You do have Hindu, Christian, Jewish and Islamic terrrorists in plenty.

This topic is not going anywhere. People have their own ideas and will not change. Just as I have mine and you have yours.

I feel the purpose of this forum is not to convert anyone to any specific way of thinking. Rather it is to share varied and diverse views and to make everyone aware that different people will have different views and perspectives--be it religion, politics, military actions or beer.

You can't withdraw just because people disagree. I disagree a lot with some opinions of Bush and the Military. But I hold my views and I expect others hold theirs.

I am not on a mission to change people's views just as I hope others are not on a mission to change mine.

We simply exchange views.

And thats what it is all about.

[ClubMed]

When I explain to someone that something has been either taken out of context or completely fabricated, and they insist that this is not the case by relying on websites of dubious nature (such as Jews writing about Islam) then I don't quite see a point in doing anymore explaining.

If you think I am withdrawing simply because people disagree with me then you misunderstood me, you should know me better than that.

I'm simply tired of explaining things when those that ask me questions already have their minds made up, there is no logical reason (for me) to answer.

That's what this is about. (A lack of interest in continuing).

Also, when you ask someone a question about their religion, and they point you to websites made by other fellow believers of the same faith, this is not bias. It is showing what we think of our religion and how we see it. There is a difference.

So when I post a linkto Al Jazeera or an Arabic site, it is showing you our point of view and how we perceive things.

It doesnt make sense for me to post a link to a Jewish or Christian site about Islam simply to give you the feeling that your people are giving you the answer you want to hear. That is not the point of asking someone about their faith.

Epidemic asked a question about my faith, Islam. Obviously only Muslims can explain their faith best to others, a Christian or Jew, or Hindu or Marsian cannot give you the insider opinion, they will give you an opinion of Islam based on Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism, which is not what I would see as a good source of knowledge on another faith.

The word bias is thrown around too eagerly lately

And look what your are making me do! I don't want to post in this thread anymore!

[shahani]

OK, good points. I agree about the crap posted on dubious Jewish sites about Islam. I guess people have to read diverse opinions before forming their own.

Just like on TV. If your only source is FOX NEWS, you get a totally warped and distorted view of Iraq situation. Senator Daschle put it eloquently, referring to the progress being made by the US Military, when he said: "...I wonder how much more progress we can take....".

Same goes for CNN and their extreme views opposite to FOX. You gotta see and read everything before forming an informed opinion.