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09-15-2003, 12:20 PM
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Ninth Circuit Blocks California Recall Election
citing concerns about a "hurried, constitutionally infirm" process.
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09-15-2003, 12:38 PM
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Disenfranchise voters? Gimme a break. I guess that means the results of every election throughout history is in question. This is just ACLU stonewalling, plain and simple. Hopefully it goes to the Supreme Court and they slap some sense into them.
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09-15-2003, 12:39 PM
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The ACLU brought suit, saying the punch-card system could disenfranchise voters in six counties, including Los Angeles, the state's largest. Those six counties include 44 percent of state voters and have heavy concentrations of minority voters.
| So what the ACLU is basically saying is that we need to disenfranchise 100% of the voters who would like to vote on the recall as specified in the California State Constitution. The ACLU's ultimate goal of course to delay the recall until the next election. |
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09-15-2003, 12:42 PM
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Hopefully the Supreme Court will see this joke of an election for what it is, a blatant power grab by the Republicans. They're not satisfied with trying to steal more seats in Texas, they want California, too. This is not democracy. When a governor is elected, in this case re-elected, by popular vote, it should take more than one rich politician with an agenda to change everything.
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09-15-2003, 12:47 PM
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Actually it took a few million AFAIK.
Polls also would indicate that the majority of californians wish to get rid of Grey out davis.
Also do not attribute this to republicans. A rich republican may have been trying to get this done, but I would not call one motivated republican ("Republicans").
How much more democratic could you get then to recall a governer based upon poor performance by the majority of the population. Sounds like the exact example of democracy. The fact that the rallying call came from one man means little if the vast majority of the people think he is right.
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09-15-2003, 12:51 PM
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I think what you say is OK, M_Six. But if the incumbent is corrupt or incompetent, there must be a recourse even if he has been re-elected.
In this case, an impeachment should be one option. And the next in line becomes Governor.
Just like if Clinton was impeached, Gore would become President.
But, you are right. The GOP is now so desperate that they will attempt to grab power. If it happened in Florida 3 years ago, it can happen anywhere.
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09-15-2003, 12:52 PM
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M_Six this recall campaign was brought to the table by a grass-root public petition signed by fed-up California residents and crosses all party lines. Don't blame the GOP for happening to field candidates who share the sentiments of those of us long overdue for an overhaul and capitalizing on it. Just like marketing, give the people what they want, and the Lib Dems have little clue on how to resolve the issues, since they are used to throwing money at social programs and the account is nearly dry. Sometimes a breath of fresh air is a good thing, because Davis has done nothing to appease the tax-paying voters, but only infuriate them to the point of action with a constitutional right to petition for recall which many of us have signed. If you were a resident here, you would be appalled. If not GOP, who else would you recommend?
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09-15-2003, 12:53 PM
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Horse hockey. I don't believe for a second that this didn't come from Washington. They found a state where the economic slump was particularly harsh and then laid it on thick to dump the whole mess on the governor's lap. This is a triumph of propaganda, not democracy.
You think Ah-nold is going to save the state? What happens when he doesn't? Another recall? When are the California voters going to realize that they've danced for too long and now it's time to pay the piper.
EDIT: And Toadman, I've had to bite the bullet, too. In Massachusetts I was denied a legally negotiated raise because of this economic mess. I don't like, but I learned to live with it.
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09-15-2003, 12:57 PM
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09-15-2003, 12:57 PM
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Well, a petition signing in California doesn't sound like something that could be handed down from Washington. The last I remembered, they were pretty liberal out there.
A grab for power? Why? Republicans already have Washington. And if you know Arnold, you know he's not the model conservative republican.
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