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09-03-2003, 06:04 PM
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Paul Hill executed
Whie on the one hand I applaud the state of Florida for this and Gov. Jeb Bush for not granting pardon, I also ask what good did this execution accomplish.
Certainly the sentence will not be a deterrent to others who see it fit to murder others who are pro-abortion.
I see this as "an eye for an eye".
Senseless.
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09-03-2003, 06:09 PM
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That guy is totaly wack.
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09-03-2003, 06:30 PM
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This was senseless in every form of the word and in every aspect of this case. The original murder was senseless, the idiot's reasons for the murder were senseless, and the execution was senseless.
Gov. Bush is a moron anyway, but this just goes to prove it. He's created a larger issue now with this jackass becoming a martyr for all the other wackos to worship. Plus he gave the idiot exactly what he wanted in the first place. Fool.
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09-03-2003, 06:35 PM
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Wonder if George had anything to do with this.
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09-03-2003, 06:43 PM
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so long bud
dont let the door hit you on the way out
only prob i have is it cost too much to get rid of him......
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09-03-2003, 07:42 PM
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Re: Paul Hill executed
Quote: Originally posted by shahani
Whie on the one hand I applaud the state of Florida for this and Gov. Jeb Bush for not granting pardon, I also ask what good did this execution accomplish.
| Saved the taxpayers from housing & feeding this particular scumbag for a lifetime... Quote: |
Certainly the sentence will not be a deterrent to others who see it fit to murder others who are pro-abortion.
| Possibly not, but certainly deterred the heck out of Paul Hill! Quote: |
I see this as "an eye for an eye".
| RIGHT! and badly overdue, this happened in 1994 - he should have been put down on the spot, it reads as there was never a question of guilt. No - justice.
Just why do we equate the punishment of the individual as a deterrant to others?? Why does it matter if an execution influences anyone else's behavior? Isn't the whole point punishment of the ONE and the protection of society by permanently removing such people?
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09-03-2003, 08:35 PM
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He reminds me of an islamic fundamentalist what with all his talk of Glory in heaven and all.
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09-03-2003, 08:42 PM
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The issue is really whether or not you believe in the death penalty. If you don't then you can rave on about how senseless, yada, yada.
If you are for it you can applaud Florida for carrying it out. We have like 500 here in California sitting around, breathing.
The only winners are the lawyers and the convicts.
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09-03-2003, 09:45 PM
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Death is the most effective deterrent we know. Works reasonably well. For example, this joker has been deterred from even the most remote possibility of him ever committing a similar crime. He was killed for his crime, but not just for that alone. That in conjunction with the fact that IF he ever got himself free from prison he would surely attempt to commit the same crime again. Bottom line, society was not safe as long as he was alive. We did the only logical thing.
He was NOT put to death as some kind of example to stop all the hundreds of thousands of people that are duplicating his crime. That's just stupid on the face of it to even bring that argument to table. He was put to death because he deserved to be put to death PLUS the fact he demonstrated absolutely NO possibility of being reformed.. Even if the possibility of his escape from prison was extreme low, why expose society to even that low risk? It was not necessary, or logical.
And I completely don't understand how Jeb is a fool for allowing this guy to be put to death. You say that's what Mr. Hill wanted, to be put to death. Um….so what? It doesn't matter in even the most infinitesimal iota what Mr. Hill wanted. His desires were not a part of the equation at all. Zip. Zilch. Naught.
Personally I don't know Gov. Jeb Bush well enough to know if he's a moron or not. He may very well be. And if so, it wouldn't be the first time we had some chaff mixed in among the corn and wheat of our political system, now would it? But I do know some things that he is not. He is not, on his own, a jury of a defendants peers capable of deciding that defendant's innocence or guilt. Nor is he a judge with the authority to give whatever punishment he feels necessary to guilty parties. In fact, it looks to me like the only real power Governor Bush could have had in this would have been to possibly grant a pardon to this ingrate. But 'ol Jeb would have had to be a REAL BIG Moron to do that, wouldn't you think?
BTW, this seems a perfect opportunity to ask M_Six, just what does your "M" stand for? (Answer carefully. We have a bet riding on this.)
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09-04-2003, 12:26 AM
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In fact, it looks to me like the only real power Governor Bush could have had in this would have been to possibly grant a pardon to this ingrate.
| The power to pardon or lessen (commute) a sentence should NOT be in the hands of a governor or any part of the executive branch of government anyway.
The checks & balance system is good, but why should a governor - or a president - have the ability to overturn a court decision? They should only be able to grant a one-time temporary stay of execution at most, for those rare cases of new evidence to be presented to a court.
It would be to everyone's advantage - especially a governor's - for this to change. As it is, any state governor must take the heat, one way or another, for every execution decision.
Let the politicians make the laws, but make the judicial system carry them out w/o political interference!
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