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Old 09-03-2003, 03:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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J-Excel: What? You're not a Conservative?

I think it's good that Bush wants more countries to help out, but it kind of makes me wonder on why? Perhaps he does indeed want other countries to help, perhaps he wants to share in the spoils, or perhaps he is tired of all of the U.S. casualties.

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Old 09-03-2003, 03:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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J-Excel: What? You're not a Conservative?
Not hardly. I vote for what I think is right, not what some political party thinks. I've been voting for nearly 20 years now and my voting record has been around 80% Democrat overall and 100% Democrat for President and Governor. I'll probably still vote 80% Democrat in the next election but will probably vote for Bush for President.
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Old 09-03-2003, 04:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The reason Bush wants other countries involved is simple. The U.S. simply does not have enough troops to maintain the occupation beyond March 2004 and still rotate new ones in.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...0317-9393r.htm
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Old 09-03-2003, 04:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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No, not true MTA. The reason is that Bush has now started feeling the heat from the daily US casualties.

And the heat comes from the families of US soldiers getting killed daily. The families have started appearing on national TV (FOX News last week) and Bush, being the corrupt politician that he is, wants to look good in the days before the primaries.

Bush would do anything to remain in power. So this concession to foreign forces is not unexpected.

The very people Bush purports to have support from (the military families) are now rubbing his nose in the dirt.
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Old 09-04-2003, 09:24 AM   #15 (permalink)
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From Salon.

Would you like some freedom fries with your crow, Mr. President?

Six months after spitting in the face of the world, the Bush
administration is crawling on its belly before the U.N. If the world
doesn't rush to help it, the White House has only itself to blame.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Gary Kamiya

Sept. 4, 2003 | Let me make sure I've got this right. After being
insulted, belittled and called irrelevant by the swaggering machos in
the Bush administration, the United Nations is now supposed to step
forward to supply cannon fodder for America's disastrous Iraq occupation
-- while the U.S. continues to run the show?

In other words, the rest of the world is to send its troops to get
killed so that a U.S. president it fears and despises can take the
credit for an invasion it bitterly opposed.

The rest of the world may be crazy, but it ain't stupid.

The Bush administration's humiliating announcement that it wants the
U.N. to bail it out officially confers the title of "debacle" upon the
grand Cheney-Rove-Wolfowitz adventure. Not even the world-class chutzpah
of this administration can conceal the fact that by turning to the
despised world body, it is eating a heaping plate of crow. This
spectacle may give Bush-bashers from London to Jakarta a happy jolt of
schadenfreude, but it does nothing to help Americans who are stuck with
the ugly fallout of the Bush team's ill-conceived, absurdly
overoptimistic attempt to redraw the Middle East.

The bitter truth is that everything the administration told us about
Iraq has turned out to be false.

The biggest falsehood, of course, concerns the reason we went to war in
the first place. President Bush's recent hints that we invaded Iraq to
get rid of the evil tyrant Saddam are patently false: The
administration's entire prewar argument, until it began to grasp
desperately for other explanations on the eve of the invasion, was that
Iraq represented an imminent threat to our security. That was, of
course, a lie. Iraq never had any connection to al-Qaida (not even the
ever-serviceable Tony Blair tried to claim that) and if it had weapons
of mass destruction -- which in any case there is no reason to believe
it would have used against the U.S. -- none have been found. (In this
light, Bush's somewhat peculiar attack on "revisionist historians"
appears to have been a Freudian slip.)

However, the Bush administration has succeeded in making its fears come
true: Iraq now does harbor enemies who represent an imminent threat to
the lives of the 140,000 American servicemen who are hunkered down
there. By removing Saddam's dictatorial regime, the U.S. turned a nation
that borders Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan and Syria into a lawless,
anarchic swamp, open to every jihadi and America-hater who wants to blow
up the Yankee infidels who invaded a sovereign Arab state. A G.I. dies
almost every day, and 10 more are wounded, and there is no end in sight,
and the reasons why are beginning to seem even murkier than the reasons
we were in Vietnam.

The Bush administration is probably hoping that the American people
won't notice that the invasion created the very problem it was supposed
to solve. After all, half of all Americans believe that Iraq was behind
9/11 -- the result of months of the administration's repetitive,
hypnotic demonizing of Saddam and total silence about the embarrassingly
uncaught Osama bin Laden. Why not go for an even bigger lie and claim
that the Iraq nightmare shows that the invasion was needed because now
we see just how evil those terrorist ragheads really are?

Perpetual war for perpetual reelection: According to this master
strategy, even a losing "war on terror" is a winning hand for Bush,
because it makes the world a scarier place and when people are scared
they vote for the tough guys. Even if the tough guys don't know what
they're doing.

The administration, which in its supreme arrogance regarded postwar
planning as beneath it (that's for sissy nation-builders), never
acknowledged or even considered that the war and occupation could be
messy, long and ruinously expensive -- and it silenced those who tried
to warn that it was living in a fool's paradise. When straight-shooting
Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff, warned that "several
hundred thousand soldiers" would be needed to pacify Iraq, the
insufferably smug Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld squashed the
now-departed officer like a bug: "Any idea that it's several hundred
thousand over any sustained period is simply not the case."

Sober contingency analysis could not be allowed to derail the
administration's carefully timed new product rollout. The misgivings and
warnings of professionals could not be allowed to spoil the grand
visions of inspired amateurs embarked on a grand crusade.

Bush said the U.N. must sanction his war on Iraq or "become irrelevant."
It did not. Yet today he is crawling on his belly to the supposedly
irrelevant U.N., begging it to bail him out of the quagmire he created.

The administration said that America was so omnipotent that it could
afford to spit in the face of the rest of the world. Indeed, for the
ideologues who run the Bush show, flouting our solo might almost seemed
to be a sign of God's special favor. Now, having burned our bridges to
all of our allies except Britain, the America über alles crowd is
reduced to sputtering in rage as the rest of the world -- surprise! --
declines to rush forward with open checkbooks.

Had the U.S. worked with the U.N. to deal with Iraq, as Bush's
considerably more world-wise father did in 1991, we would not be facing
this problem. The community of nations would have regarded Iraq as its
shared responsibility and stepped forward. But by alienating the world
-- and squandering the unparalleled goodwill created by 9/11 -- the Bush
administration created a powerful disincentive to even those nations
that understand the vital necessity of rebuilding Iraq. The unpleasant
truth is that for much of the world, helping this shattered nation, even
if understood to be a worthy and necessary goal, now equals lending aid
and comfort to an American regime that is perceived as blustering,
simplistic, addicted to violence, self-righteous, and dangerously out of
control.

In a nobler world, France and Turkey and Germany and Russia would forget
all those nasty things that Bush officials (and their mouthpieces in the
Murdoch media empire) said about them and send tens of thousands of
troops to bail us out. But the real world does not work that way. The
"axis of weasels" is now enjoying every minute of it while the Bush
regime squirms.

By insisting that any U.N. forces be placed under U.S. control, the Bush
administration is trying to save what little face it has left, but also
making it that much harder to enlist the help of other nations.
Moreover, no one at the United Nations is likely to have forgotten that
the bombing that blew up the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad could never
have been carried out except in the power vacuum that followed the
ouster of Saddam. Had the Bush administration not poured contempt upon
the U.N., that fact might not have led to acrimony and finger-pointing
-- after all, it is unreasonable to blame the U.S. for that vile deed.
But the Bush team is reaping what it has sowed.

To be sure, some kind of deal may yet be worked out. But if the terms of
that deal are more niggardly than the Bush administration would like, if
much of the world stands on the sidelines and watches the bully twist in
Iraq's deadly breeze, it will have only itself to blame.
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Old 09-04-2003, 10:22 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I think this is great news. It does create a problem for the liberals though. Since they feel impelled to attack Bush about anything and everything they will have to find a way to twist this great news into something horrible. When they do it'll just sway more of us moderates to the Right. I know I've never considered voting for a Republican president until now.
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No, not true MTA. The reason is that Bush has now started feeling the heat from the daily US casualties.

And the heat comes from the families of US soldiers getting killed daily. The families have started appearing on national TV (FOX News last week) and Bush, being the corrupt politician that he is, wants to look good in the days before the primaries.

Bush would do anything to remain in power. So this concession to foreign forces is not unexpected.

The very people Bush purports to have support from (the military families) are now rubbing his nose in the dirt.
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