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Old 07-24-2003, 06:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Recording Industry Running Scared

They aren't needed anymore and they are terrified the artists will realize it.The artist can sell directly to the consumer over the internet,no more recording too many tapes,CDs or albums and inflating the cost of the music. The consumer can make his own CD from files he purchases.A store even that records the cd you want while you wait,with good equipment it doesn't even take long and once again reduces the cost to the consumer,because only as many as are sold will be made.Would pobably make more money for the artist.All these subpoenas are an attempt at scareing people to such an extent that they wouldn't use the internet for legal means of getting their music if a good one were available and putting the big guys out of business.Just look at them they are so scared they are stiking out in every direction and doiing the wrong thing to the people who are their bread and butter.

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Old 07-24-2003, 07:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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As far as my household is concernned, we will NEVER buy another Cd or cassette or DVD and any recorded music until the RIAA and all the others get off their high horse and stop intimindating the general population of this country. This alone is bad enough, but the condesending additude of the managemnnet of these corporations is going to be their downfall. Music is fine and well , but most people can and will do without the latest hit or a compelling album. If you know a good radio station, you can usually find what you want , but with all the other time consuming entities ( TV, computers, sports, family ) the products offered by these companies doesn't seem that important as they once were and with the antagonism they're brewing, it will hit them alot harder than they ever conceived. They can all go to Hades for all I care.
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Old 07-24-2003, 07:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I still don't mind going out and buying a DVD or two. The MPAA is asking nicely for people that are sharing movies to stop. I'll stop buying them when they want to sue people for their life savings.
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Well said, cb! I've thought the same thing. Any artist could rent the recording studio themselves, email it to radio stations for broadcast, then sell it via their own website.

Doubt this will happen soon, though. Existing artists are undoubtedly under iron-clad contracts preventing such distribution, & the RIAA would probably threaten the radio stations to prevent any new upstart from being broadcast. W/o radio exposure, very few would ever hear their work or buy it.

How could they influence radio? Easy, just threaten to revoke the ability to broadcast millions of copyrighted songs!
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Counter Suite or Subpeona

One of the organizations that is being sued should file one of there own, have music industry execs homes and offices raided and all of their music tapes CDs and albums seized and then required to provide proof of purchase,maybe their friends as well,the artist has a right to royalties from every album,tape and CD that is in use.They are quick enough to slamdunk us in the name of profits,how about us doing the same in the name of enjoying life at a reasonable cost.
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Old 07-25-2003, 04:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I would happily buy music if the price was right. A CD to a joe like me costs well under a pound. Using High quality paper to print an album sleeve costs a pound max (Ink as well).

Bare in mind they do it all in volume, those numbers would be so much less. What would be wrong in £2 for a single, maybe £7 for an album... but no! £4 for a single, £12-13 for a album. Rip-off.

I will continue to source my music from the internet, be it legal or otherwise.
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Old 07-25-2003, 05:57 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Now there is a good point tmx468
Can anyone think of an industry that has a higher markup, even after overhead is figured into the equation?



Oh,, yea,,, pharmaceuticals.
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Old 07-25-2003, 06:09 AM   #8 (permalink)
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hmm 2 Canadians and an Englishman are there copyright laws in your 2 countries I 'm not sure of the laws in other countries just here?? I thought the RIAA was just on the attack for Americans. As for the idea of the RIAA [which is totally within its rights} getting of its high horse good luck
Maybe when people stop the illegal activity of copying and sharing copyrighted material they will do just that. As for the idea of bands "doing it themselves" well maybe you'll try it once and see how hard it is.

Even if it was "just that easy" what makes you think they want file sharing anymore than the RIAA does. Do you really think that a band wants to send out one copy of their song for $1.00 and have it mass produced x1 million
If it was that easy then it wouldn't matter but in fact its not.

There is no simple answer maybe the RIAA is wrong in its approach but its right in its ideals. People that copy, share or distribute copyrighted material are breaking the law and should be punished. Its that plain and simple.

I'm staying out of the legal aspects of things as I've explained it more than a few time if you need the legal info then re-read my other posts. BTW I haven't seen our resident lawyers post any info on the subjects as of yet??
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Pharmaceutical companies have a huge outlay to produce the products, so higher prices can be easily justified (of course, when the product becomes a pure cash cow, prices should drop..)

We do have anti-copyright laws, much the same as those in the US, but at the same time, we all have PC's, I have DSL and I know how to use it.

The last 3 CD's I bought (Ie last years purchases!) Were Eric Clapton (Reptile), £5.99, Dire Straits (Money For Nothing) £6 and Coldplay (Rush of Blood..) £6. All on sale.
All because I like the songs, and the price is reasonable. I will always buy music (although the majority doesn't make it to the band ) but I will not pay more than it is worth.

Of course, I buy DVD's... but then it pays to have the quality over VHS/DivX.

I am going to start a new thread with a poll... see what the answers are!
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That part about the DVDs is so true. I have about 30 movies on my computer and I all consider them to be samples because they are not nearly as good as DVDs.
Just today I watched Chasing Amy (another one of Silent Bob's movies) and it was good but around the last 20 minutes of it, the sound was ahead of the video and it was not caused by the computer being slow. All classic ways of fixing the problem such as reopening the window then advancing to where it was were not working.
The movie Dogma has incredibly low sound in it, to hear it I have to turn WMP, Windows and the speakers up full blast.
Undercover brother has a cut in it that makes both WMP and Winamp freeze when the part comes, only way to get around it is to reopen WMP or Winamp then advance to after the part which is a pain in the butt.
Saving Private Ryan gets extremely low framerates at times, as low as 7fps (detected with FRAPS).

I actually do plan on buying all of the movies that I have on my computer. People who create movies that I like deserve the money.

People respect the movie industry a bit more than they do the music industry though. To make a record, it costs less than $5000 probably. All you need is a band, the guy(s) who control the audio equipment and some recording time. To make a movie it costs a lot. Look at the chase scene in Matrix Reloaded and you can see money at work.
Since music is cheaper to make, people expect to pay way less for it. A DVD costs like $15, but so does a music CD. Which one of those do you think is the overpriced one?

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