NOW I see why Daveleau was upset

I've been to the Grand Canyon, but never noticed the plaques (or didn't see them). It certainly is one of the finer creations I have see.

What's with all the assumptions that "In God We Trust" means that the state is demanding that people believe in one God? Or that he only exists if the government supports him?

I personally believe no religion is right or wrong, and that all religions are right in their own means. By specifying the word GOD which means 1 god the government is thereby contradicting itself.

What? The government is contradicting itself because of your personal belief?

You guys are acting like it should be illegal to believe in God on federal land Let alone quote something from a religous text.

If you don't like it, don't look. And God bless you all

[mpc]

Originally posted by no1_vern
ACTUALLY I was asking "how inappropriate was the biblical phrase"?

Specifically this one: "O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches."

NOT "GOD", NOT "ALLAH", NOT "BUDDHA" the wording is "O Lord" which is very general and the rest of the statement goes to the fact that THE GRAND CANYON is A BEAUTIFUL CREATION ! Irreguardless of whom you ascribe its creation to.

It is inappropriate because it is a biblical phrase.



The courts have ruled that the word "god" is okay because it is generic (i.e. "In God We Trust"). A biblical phrase is specific to a particular religion and that is why it is not okay.

[no1_vern]

OK FOR THOSE WHO NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING :

There are more than 30 different religions THAT I KNOW OF who use phrases from the old testament. If I were to DISCOUNT the Catholic, protestant, Morman, etc... strains - Well ALL CHRISTIAN faiths.

That would leave AT LEAST TWO MAJOR religions that have

"O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches."

as a written part of their religion:

1. ISLAM: The Quran/Koran

2. JUDAISM : The Torah or HEBREW CANON OF SCRIPTURE

HOW CAN the PHRASE not be considered as generic as the word "God" ?

The phrase is NOT, I will repeat that for the slow people, IT IS NOT specifically a CHRISTIAN passage and is in AT LEAST 2 other major religious books/doctrines.

The reason I think that they insisted on having the the passage pulled because they couldnt handle being reminded that there was a being greater than themselves.

[samwichse]

They defend anything

(warning, language)

Sam

[Toadman]

LOL! You gotta love The Onion.

[mpc]

Originally posted by no1_vern

The phrase is NOT, I will repeat that for the slow people, IT IS NOT specifically a CHRISTIAN passage and is in AT LEAST 2 other major religious books/doctrines.

It is, however, and I'll repeat that for the slow, it is still specific to religions. It doesn't matter that it may apply to more than one. Does it apply to all? No...and that is what matters.

The term "god" is generic and vague and can really mean anything.

[no1_vern]

Originally posted by mpc


It is inappropriate because it is a biblical phrase.

Is what you said!

I said No it isnt a specifically biblical phrase. The Quran and the Judain Canons have it also.

[Gomer]

Care to post anything supporting that statement?

[mpc]

Originally posted by no1_vern


Is what you said!

I said No it isnt a specifically biblical phrase. The Quran and the Judain Canons have it also.

Actually, you referred to it as a biblical phrase....twice! Which is it? I referred to it as one because you did.

" NOW I see why Daveleau was upset

With the American Civil Liberties Union !

Quote "three bronze plaques inscribed with biblical passages have been removed by U.S. park officials over concern that the religious messages violate the U.S. Constitution"

Did you not call it a biblical passage here? (well ,at least quote that it was?)

"ACTUALLY I was asking "how inappropriate was the biblical phrase"?


How about here? No "qoute" about it.

You are, however, missing the point because it doesn't matter if it is exclusively a biblical phrase or not...what matters is that it is a religous phrase.

[no1_vern]

Hm, OW!!. Ok MPC ya got me on that one. I did say it (twice too!).

Gomer, here:

Early British translation:

"O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches."

Torah(jewish):

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt26a4.htm

Half way down is # 24(translated into english)

" How manifold are Thy works, O LORD! In wisdom hast Thou made them all; the earth is full of Thy creatures."

Please read my next post.
Vern