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Old 06-24-2003, 06:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Kids Mad Cow Business

http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegBusiness...6-25-0036.html
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...39/?hub=Canada
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968705899037

What do you guys think about this?

This was out of mind until the other day when I heard the border was still closed(?)!

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Old 06-24-2003, 06:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Cow #1: So, what do you think about this mad cow disease?

Cow #2: I don't....I'm an airplane!

Seriously, though, this sounds to me like American ranchers having lobbied to shut down the importation of the cheaper Canadian beef...I mean, they found ONE CASE of the disease?

I could understand shutting down the trade for 30 days, until it is cleared and declared safe (Mad Cow Disease is serious stuff, as infected cattle must be destroyed, and this disease is capable of ruining a whole herd).

It's gone on long enough, though. No more cases since. Open the trade route again.
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Old 06-24-2003, 06:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think this sums it up:
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"Cows don't care where they come from. They're dead."

"And the consumers don't care where they come from."


Much of the hype about BSE (aka mad cow disease) is just that: hype. Unless a genuine BSE epidemic is detected in a country, there is no need to ban exported products, IMO. Even the European Union agreed with that. A single isolated case does not make an epidemic. And unless you eat high risk tissue (brain, spinal cord) it is unlikely to be infective anyway.

Sounds like Japan is being too cautious about exported beef. I'd be more concerned about products containing nervous tissue from cows than beef, at any rate.

Too much politics in these decisions, and not enough science, IMO. That's why regular folks get confused about this stuff. Science says one thing, politics does another.

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Old 06-24-2003, 07:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Too much politics in these decisions, and not enough science, IMO. That's why regular folks get confused about this stuff. Science says one thing, politics does another.

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Amen to that! The ONE single case was discovered May 20, and all trade was shut down.

The scientists and their research have shown it to have been an isolated case. Nothin' more there!

Meanwhile, the Canadian ranchers are losing about 11 Million bucks a day!

Worse, Canadian PM Klein's only recourse is to appeal to Dick ("Mr. Fairness") Cheney....

"I see screwed people..."
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I've heard time and time again that this is political "revenge" for Canada not participating in the "U.S. War on Terror"...

The part I see as unfair is that the U.S. basically says "No.", but refuses to establish any sort of date for when the border is to be re-opened, AND (get this) will not explain the criteria that need to be met under which the border will be re-open.

What conclusions is one supposed to draw?

The simple fact of the matter is, that Canada has absolutely no reason to believe that more than the one cow had BSE, nor have they seen any scientific evidence (through their virulent research in order to get the border re-opened) that the infection spread beyond that cow.

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Old 06-25-2003, 07:02 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The US Food and Drug Administration, which treats blood as a product, bars blood donations from people who have spent more than three months in Great Britain since 1985, or more than six months in any part of Western Europe. All this on the basis of variant Creutzfeld-Jacob Disease (vCJD), which no one has yet established as being transmissible by blood.

We have a huge shortage of donated blood in this country, in part because we don't accept blood from homosexuals. But we're not making sensible distinctions here: although male homosexuals are at higher risk of carrying HIV or Hepatitis B than the general public, female homosexuals are at lower risk.

And the point isn't travel in Europe; it's eating meat in Europe. An English vegetarian is less likely to acquire vCJD than a Texas carnivore.

And we're not sure that we don't have BSE (or vCJD) here in the States; only that we haven't looked as hard as the Europeans have. But we have lots of stuff like it: Elk Wasting Disease, which is infesting American herds of wildlife (and threatening hunters who eat their kill), and a similar syndrome among squirrels (careful with that Brunswick stew!).

Besides, where are the Europeans going to get their blood from? China?

Just thinking about this today because I'm scheduled to give blood at 10:15, and I just spent another three weeks in Italy. I'm getting pretty close to the six-month ceiling, though I probably won't hit it before I get my ten-gallon pin...
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We (Canada) can always find other countries to export to. Just because the US is next door doesn't make them our only trading partner. Which our much hated Prime Minister of the 1980's Brian Mulroney seemed to think.

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Old 06-26-2003, 07:45 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Worse, Canadian PM Klein's
Knothead, Ralph Klien is the premiere of alberta, not the prime minister of Canada. Please refrain from referring to him as the PM. It's a disgrace to the stature of PM to claim that Klein holds that position.

Just so you know, our PM is Jean Chretien.
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Just so you know, our PM is Jean Chretien.
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Old 06-27-2003, 01:40 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Jean Chretien has done more to help Canada then Mulroney ever did. Mulroney is the main reason we're in such a mess. Free Trade?? Didn't benefit Canada very much... He wouldn't even send his own children to a Canadian university!! That's showing Canadian spirit.

Sorry that this is off topic but I had to vent a little.

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