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Old 05-19-2003, 02:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Violent Matrix?

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This morning on Good Morning America, they decided it would be a fun time to bash the Matric Reloaded.
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"...experts are concerned because the new Matrix contains many more scenes of violence than the original...the original inspired many violent acts across the nation..."

Umm.........uhhhhhhhh................yeah

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/L...egalCases.html

Okay, they mention 5 crimes caused by the matrix.

Let's analyze them, shall we?

Columbine Massacre:
Hey, didn't they credit this little atrocity to DOOM(tm), the video game? The 'mass murder simulator' (or at least the only one where the 'victims' shoot AT you)? What about Marylin Manson? Didn't he have a hand in it? Or was it just the fact that these kids were really f***ed up and went on a killing spree on thier own, and would have done so without outside influence. Gee, you be judge. Me, I'm gonna laugh at the fact that GMA said that this atrocity was caused by the Matrix. I think of all that these kids listened to, watched,played, and thought, this is at the bottom of the 'Potential source of violence and ill' list.

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Attorneys for a 19-year-old who shot his parents to death last February claim he was obsessed with The Matrix.

Josh Cooke, of Oakton, Va., shot his parents with a 12-gauge shotgun that was similar to one of the weapons "Neo" uses in the film.
Umm....and the shotgun has...what...to do with a connection between the movie and the killing? Last I looked, shotguns come in all shapes and sizes. A 12-gauge is the most common (I think) and the one seen in the matrix wasn't really extraordinary looking or anything. So, exactly, WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE LLINK BETWEEN THE MOVIE AND KILLING? Huh?

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Cooke wore a trench coat, had a huge poster from the film in his room and even believed he lived inside The Matrix, his defense attorney, Rachel Fierro, has argued.
Trench coat? Lots of people wear trench coats. Some find them confortable. It's not like the guy likes to waer a gun.

Has a poster from the film in his room? Uhh...I have one of those. Doesn't mean I have to kill anyone because of it.

Even believed he was inside the Matrix? At this point, I think the client is safe to plead insanity. If the killing was inspired by the movie, it doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened anyway?

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Lee Malvo, one of the accused Washington-area snipers, is said to have been obsessed with the world of blurred realities and mind control portrayed in The Matrix as well.

A note written by 18-year-old Malvo in jail reads: "Free yourself of The Matrix."
Last I remembered, the Matrix didn't have rebel snipers killing inocent civilians left and right. They also didn't use their idea of 'blurred reality' to kill innocents (except for maybe the lobby scene, we'll get to that later).

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Vadim Mieseges, 27, of San Francisco dismembered his landlady without provocation three years ago. He told police he did it after he had been "sucked into The Matrix." A judge accepted his plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.
Oh yea. Some guy who pleads not guilty by insanity got 'sucked into the Matrix'. For all I know he would have said his name was Sam and he terrorized New York (Or was is New Jersy? Sorry, I don't remember). We'll get to wackos later.

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Tonda Lynn Ansley of Hamilton, Ohio, made references to the film after she was arrested in the July 2002 fatal shooting of Sherry Corbett, 55, a Miami University professor whose house she had been renting.

Ansley's statement to police made reference to the The Matrix as she suggested that she was drugged to make her think the things she envisioned were dreams.
Not a very strong argument. Why did she kill the professor? The artcle conviniently forgot to mention this. Without that, I cant draw a conclusion from the aricle, based on this segment.

Guys, 2 things:

In the lobby scene of the Matrix, Neo and Trinity take out at least 20 armed security guards (including the SWATish people) who really didn't have anythign to do with the story other than serving as an obstacle to getting Morpheous. Guys, a body count of 20 innocents isn't exctly very, well, high. It wasn't that bad really. In movies like the Terminator, innocents are killed left and right by our metal antihero. It's an action scene, not one to ponder over why Neo and Trinity did that. Why did they do it? How else were they to get to Morpheous. It's an action movie, not exactly a movie to ponder over the why's of everything. Neo and the ganag aren't exactly Quior(sp) Boys anyway. Not many heros in modern action flicks are.

2.

Whackos.

Okay, so maybe these killings were'inspired' by the movie the Matrix, you argue. Fine, so be it. But there's a line between the insiration and the direct cause of. It's not a very fine line either. It's a line that's as obvious as the Great Wall of China, if you ask me. This article acts like that line doesn't exist. Nor does any other article talking about how video games/movies/music/african pygmy rats 'inspire' murders. This article had little solid evidence of a link anyway. C'mon, they guy had a Matrix Poster in his room?

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Old 05-19-2003, 02:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I honestly could see how the movie could effect the mentally unstable because the 'matrix philosiphy' is that extraordinary and something very debatable in the philosiphers world... but just because some people get affected by this doesn't mean you could single out one movie. If your gonna blame the matrix, you have to blame every single movie that has a killing in it.
In other words, move to countries where you aren't allowed to watch movies.
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Old 05-19-2003, 03:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hey if you got to blame something, blame the movies!

not the people for there own actions
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lol, maybe they rated it "R" for liability reasons
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hey if you got to blame something, blame the movies!

not the people for there own actions
I agree, 99% of the time people make claims like these, it is just an excuse.
I saw a documentary on the causes of gangster violence among youth in High School. One of the findings was that violent entertainment had a negligble role in it while family problems, drugs, money had a more prominent role.
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Old 05-19-2003, 10:16 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This goes along with the thread about the school wanting to expel the students for actions occurring off campus.

More excuses for "parents" to not be responsible for their children. Our society as a whole has been trying to find things to "blame" rather than teach children better. Past the age of about 9-10 they should understand the concepts of right/wrong, hurting/killing is not allowed, theft is wrong. But, many of them don't. So, we find a video game, TV show or movie to blame. Ask "Where were the parents?" and you get a line about them trying and just not able to control/help their children. The problem is that our laws have neutered parents, they are afraid to punish the children for fear of being sued or the children taken from them.

It makes me sad to live in this society where people are no longer held accountable, just pass the blame. Also, one of the reasons I have CHOSEN to not have children.

While I am ranting, that's another thing. Did people forget that having children is a CHOICE and not just something that happens. It is something that should be planned and discussed.
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lol, maybe they rated it "R" for liability reasons
Ha! Perhaps they were corrupting too many young minds? Remember that a lot of these people are/were over 18 when they did their crimes.
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Well, it starts at the top friends. The President , priests, elected officials, authority figures, parents, teachers, boards, and so on are caught every day, lying, cheating stealing, back-stabbing, and so on. Many making excuses up or having their lawyers do it for them. With these role models acting this way it is hard to teach children how to live an ethical life. I still try though, because I think I'm happier inside when I do .... so that's what I'm trying to pass on to my kids.
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I've seen every war movie and gangster movie ever shown.

I've played countless hours of Doom, Duke Nukem, Heratic, Witchaven, Half-Life, Serious Sam, Deus-Ex, et. al.

I've shot deer, birds, rabbits, varmints, and gutted countless bass and trout.

But never once have I ever had the desire to point a gun at another human being. Even some that really needed to be shot.

Go figure? I should be a homicidal maniac by now.
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cadd, according to the 'experts' on TV, you should be the next Osama bin Laden by now. Or Al Capone. Go figure
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