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Old 05-08-2003, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Outdoors CT Judges forget high school biology

The Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled that a fetus is a body part, akin to teeth, skin and hair that are eventually shed. I mean, REALLY, did these people take high school biology?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2003May7.html

This was a unanimous ruling, and really has no impact on the abortion issue.

By the way, my intent is not to start a thread on the abortion issue, simply to point out that people in the legal arena of our country (judges and lawyers) seem to display a complete lack of common sense.

And I thought the NJ Supreme Court were idiots!

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Old 05-08-2003, 02:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I thought all body parts had a function that aided in the life of the organism. Now, could someone please let me know how exactly a fetus helps sustain life in an organism?

Now a parasite would have been more accurate.

Liberalism, it works!

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a fetus is not needed for the life of the mother
if that were so, there would not be miscarriages, as no mothers would be alive afterwards, and so it would be called a fetus failure
like if it was a kidney or a liver

i know people get attached to fetuses as their children, but are they really? you can get another one.. i read somewhere that many women have miscarriages they do not even know about

you dont see people losing kidneys and not noticing
a fetus is like a "body accessory" which may or may not turn into a child
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Old 05-08-2003, 07:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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You're getting warm, JacobM5727. A fetus is a distinct biological entity, completely separate from, but also completely dependent on, the mother (at least, for now).

I'm speaking biologically here, not constitutionally. That's a whole different question. But one which the CT Supreme Court doesn't seem to understand.
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Old 05-08-2003, 07:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Common sense is something that most everyone lacks these days. We'll see how this affects the value of human life, in any state, in the future.

Edit: For clarity, by state I mean form, not body of land.
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..."people in the legal arena of our country (judges and lawyers) seem to display a complete lack of common sense."
To compound the problem, the lower court judges (may be state specific) are not obligated to explain their reasoning to reach their decisions.

I recently reviewed a state supreme court decison that ruled against the appellent stating the lower court judge is not expected to know every minute detail of the law, and it is the appellent's attorney with the burden to bring relevant issues of law and explanations to the judge's attention during the trial. One doesn't always know whether the judge using common sense until there is an appeal decision.

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How about you guys reading the entire report.

The justices UPHELD a lower courts rulling that a man deliberately poisoning his girlfriend is guilty. The fact that the fetus was the target of the poison does NOT change the fact that he was poisoning his girlfriend.

IMO he is guilty. So he deserves the sentence he got and doesnt deserve the appeal he recieved in this hearing.

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Like many body parts, a fetus may be lost without injury to the mother.

Since a fetus shares the blood of the mother, I'd consider it a part of her until birth.

So I do not condsider killing a fetus the same as murder.

However, doing injury upon a person that results in the severe harm/loss of any part of that person is mayhem, and a serious enough crime to warrant very severe punishment.

Poisoning could accomplish mayhem just as well as an axe.
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Quote:
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Since a fetus shares the blood of the mother, I'd consider it a part of her until birth.
Just to clarify, the fetus has it's own blood supply, completely separate from the mother. As I said, a fetus is a distinct biological entity, separate from the mother, with it's own nervous, circulatory, etc. systems. This is not a matter of opinion.

The issue of whether killing a fetus is murder varies by state. In virtually all states, however, the life of the fetus is protected by criminal statutes. This is consistent with Supreme Court rulings.
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It's like saying an arm is a human being. What a bunch of complete morons!!!
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