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Old 04-11-2003, 12:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Fellow Senior and Ultimate TIMO's

Folks, it's time to step back and look at some things that are happening. We, the Senior and Ultimate members should be setting the standards and leading the way in the tone of what we post. Many of us earned the title by showing how intelligent we are and helping others. Act like a Senior or Ultimate, not like whinning, crying, whimpering little children who have been told we can't see our friend because they've been bad! It's a sad, sad day when one of us gets banned! It's even sadder when we have to question why a member has been banned! Bans only happen when the rules have been violated.

Now, to look at things from a different perspective --

If this were a bar, or a church, or any of many B&M places to gather . . . . . . Are the rules any different? No! If you have any brains and want to keep them, you don't walk into a bar and walk up to someone and start running yer' mouth, expecting nothing to happen. Most B&M's don't even have rules posted -- they don't need to and YOU know the rules! (Here, the rules are posted.)

Realize, that this site belongs to someone, Scott. Scott has posted the rules and made them clear. Scott set those rules for a reason, and I for one, feel he gives us a lot of leway in what we say/post. I have never seen Scott do something arbitrarily or without good reason. Scott chose his moderators, each for a reason, he assigned those moderators to specific forums for a reason. When you state that a moderator was a bad choice, based on your thinking, you're questioning Scott's thinking and reasoning. (Scott didn't get where he's at by making bad decisions.)

Now, let's look at what a Moderator is --

A Moderator is a facilitator, a policeman, a "Devil's advocate", at TechIMO, they're volunteers hand picked by Scott. A Moderators job includes making sure the rules are followed. If they fail to do that, it is up to Scott as to what he wants to do about it. At the same time, Scott needs to and does back the decisions of his/our Moderators. I have never seen a Moderator happy about banning someone, but I have seen remorse by Moderators that have had to ban someone. Moderators have feelings and in some cases, they have been forced (by said member) to ban someone that continues to violate the rules.

As for "banning" --

While I hate to see people get banned, the rules are there for everyone to see. If you violate the rules, then you get banned. (Note -- you don't get banned without warning from one of the Moderators. Think of it like a good dog, ya' yank on it's tail and it'll yip the first few times. Yank on it some more and the dog will start to growl at you for doing it. Yank on his tail some more and he'll nip ya'! Keep it up and the dog will finally BITE ya'! The warnings may come in an e-mail, a PM, or a chat, but you will get them prior to the ban! (If it is a real serious violation, the time between yip and bite can be real short!))

It also seems to me that we have a couple people here that are trying to attempt at leading a revolt or rebellion. Get over it and grow up! I doubt it would happen, and you just increase the bad feelings amongst those who care. Try to question your boss', lead's, supervisors, every decision and see how long you have a job! Try to question every friends/spouses decision and see how many friends you have or how long you have a spouse!

These are my thoughts and feelings about what's been going on lately and ta' tell ya' the truth, I've stayed out of a lot of it and started using the "ignore" list to prevent from saying something I knew would have gotten me banned. Most if not all of us here are intelligent "outside-the-box" thinkers, let's continue on as mature people with respect for each other. Senior and Ultimate members need to act as such!

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Sorry for the rambling, but I felt I had to add my .02!

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Very true. I have no idea of the circumstances of the latest bans but I know that the mods always have a good reason for banning. We know the mods, they're part of this community. We know how things work here.

What is more puzzling to me is that some members are still around that should have been banned a long time ago, IMO.

Anyway, good post Harder.
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Thank you Sharder, for posting what I had trouble speaking myself............... I have trouble expressing my own thoughts and feelings, but you have hit the nail on the head in your post.
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I agree with sharder8. Let the "senior" of us lead the way in behaviour and respect.

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(Scott didn't get where he's at by making bad decisions.)
I agree with that statement. Good post Harder

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I'm not a senior or ultimate member... I just have a lot of posts
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Good post, agreed
While I think things have been quite steamed up around here lately, people have to remember ... yes this is a community to speak to others and share your opinions.. that doesn't mean your opinion is better than somebody elses.. it is their opinion and chances are you won't be able to change it. Its like religion.. people believe in it for a reason, or they don't believe in it for a reason. You can yell and squawk about it all day.. at the end of the day nothing will have changed.. but it can still end friendships and create hostilities....

Take a deep breath.. and just walk away

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Excellent post, agree with all that was said.

We need to police ourselves, treat others as you want to be treated. If you don't like being flamed, called names, etc then don't do it to others.

I have never had a warning, ban, or anything of the sort. Police yourselves, it works.

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Although I may not post a lot, I have been here from Sysopt like many of you and I totally agree with you. Great post harder!
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Even the best people do "questionable" things sometimes. Things that even get them in trouble. That part's sad.

But the real disaster comes when, like moths to a flame, other folks decide that getting themselves in the same trouble is going to help the situation.

It's one thing to try and change a situation that you don't like.

It's entirely another to watch someone get hit by a train, and then jump in front of it yourself crying: "These things are too dangerous, and I'm gonna prove it!"

What you prove is your capacity to make a mistake.

The things that have happened here were shocking. I was shocked by most of them too.

But don't be shocked into becomming just another "statistic."
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