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Old 04-08-2003, 07:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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al Jazeera journalist killed

This certainly won't help win the PR war among Arabs.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...hit/index.html

It should be pointed out that al Jazeera journalists keep an office in a house on a road alongside the Tigris River that links the Information Ministry with the old palace presidential compound. A fairly risky place to stay.

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Old 04-08-2003, 07:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, the Palestine Hotel's not so safe, either.
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Old 04-08-2003, 08:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If you have Iraqi soldiers shooting from near you at American tanks you are definitely in harm's way. If snipers were shooting from the hotel then it was a valid military target regardless of who was in it. If your office is adjacent to a valid military target like one of Saddam's Palaces you are in harm's way.
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I think the general rule of thumb would be if you hear rifle fire from the room next door you should probably leave the general area. as Egon from ghost busters says "It could be bad"

Wonder if he was doing the shootin.
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The reporters in the Palestine say they were not aware of any snipers. Ann Garrels (sp?) reported this on NPR this morning. On the other hand, if there were snipers on the roof of the hotel, how would they have known?
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Old 04-08-2003, 11:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
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They shot the right hand side of the frame about 3/4 of the way up not the roof. That would indicate roof window fire. This would limit the number of reporters who would see the sniper if there was one.

finally I am not sure if they have silencers on their guns which would reduce report. Not hard to make a silencer or buy one when you are a government.

All in all too early to tell what really happened but it is definitely possible that they had a genuine target and removed it.
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regarding palestine hotel:
The tank was 1.25 to 1.5 miles away on the bridge into the city (as reported by NPR reporter). Said reporter also stated that there was no action within a mile radius of the hotel at the time of the incident. Also said that there was no fire heard from hotel.

Fox news says tank was 1/2 mile away, BBC says French cameraman has incident on tape. 1/2 mile is a tough shot for a sniper isn't it? My understanding also is that a RPG has a range of about 1,000 yards. I think that the journalists would have noticed mortar fire being launched from the lobby.

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Journalists from three Western television networks told CNN they were in the Palestine Hotel when the tank fired and saw no outgoing fire from the hotel.

The U.S. Central Command said U.S. forces came under "significant enemy fire" from both buildings and responded "consistent with the inherent right of self-defense."
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Some U.S. troops said they took fire from snipers on the rooftop of the hotel, while Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, a U.S. Central Command spokesman, said the fire came from the lobby area. He later said it was uncertain where it came from.

Other soldiers said tanks were taking mortar and grenade fire from in front of the hotel, and saw binoculars trained on them from an upper floor. Suspecting a "spotter" post, they fired.
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Faleh Kheibar, a photographer for Reuters, said he was trying to take a picture of a U.S. helicopter hovering over Baghdad when the shell hit the 15th-floor suite.

"I changed my place just seconds before the blast," he said. He was wounded by shrapnel on his forehead and left cheek. Inside the suite, blood and damaged equipment was strewn on the floors.
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"There must have been 50 cameras on the balconies," said AP photographer Jerome Delay, who was on top floor. "How can they spot someone with binoculars and not cameras?"
Rather than admit to making a grave error in judgement or perception... they let loose with the "significant" fire song and dance. USA makes no mistakes when it comes to war. The same line of BS that all too many people will gobble up like candy.

Makes you wonder if Al Jazeera is blowing things out of proportion when they report the civilian attrocities. If some perceived sniper fire from a building 1/2 mile away in a populated area warrants a tank to unload on any ole building... I don't doubt that civilians are getting pulverized.

Again... I could care less about them really. Stack them 15 feet deep in the streets if it means the life of one serviceman. I know that sounds harsh... it is meant to. I am not upset that troops are over there fighting... I am upset at how they got there and the reasons they are over there. I am also disturbed at the typical Americans appetite for BS.

Regarding the Al Jazeera bombing...

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Al-Jazeera said its correspondent Tareq Ayoub died and a cameraman was injured when two missiles hit its office, virtually destroying it.

Reporting from Iraq is fraught with danger
US military officials said the building was struck by mistake. In November 2001, American warplanes mistakenly bombed the offices of the same broadcaster in Kabul, Afghanistan during the US-led campaign to oust the Taleban.

"It is something we all regret. But I don't believe that it is possible that it was deliberate," US State Department spokesman Nabil Khoury said.

But the Reporters Without Borders pressure group said al-Jazeera had been careful to inform the Americans of the exact location of its offices and demanded an inquiry into the attack.
The rest of the world does a better job telling truth from fiction... and the hatred grows. I doubt we'll ever see "yellow" again on that retarded scale the gov uses to warn of terrosim .
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Truthfully Gomer...Since you arent there and the few people saying otherwise are not particularly "usa friendlies" and who says the reporters are accurate in their views?

It's war....War is hell. Some times good people die in the process. and I for one can tell ya...When under fire your view point becomes very pointed. When fired upon you freakin return fire cause if you don't ....Usually you or your buddy comes home in a body bag.

I for one feel that reporters when they choose to stay in an area known to be a military target or a likely military target are just putting themselves in the contest for a darwin award.
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Truthfully Gomer...Since you arent there and the few people saying otherwise are not particularly "usa friendlies" and who says the reporters are accurate in their views?
There aren't a "few people" saying otherwise. There were reporters from all countries there... the West included. It isn't really a "view" either. They were there... they said there was no fire coming from the building they were in. The reporter on NPR was not from the likes of Al Jazeera. These were reporters from the legitimate news orgs that have been covering this mess.

The Palestine (if that is what you are referring to) was well known to be the place where all the newspeople were staying. Of all the places they could be in Baghdad the Palestine was probably the safest. It was by no means known to be a military target.

Maybe you have the two attacks confused... maybe you just didn't make it clear to which one you were talking about in your reply. Maybe you just aren't up on what happened. But it seems as if you missed the major thrust of my post.

Of all the news coming out of the MidEast... what was said by the people probably carries the most credibility. These were AP Reporters and the like in there... not Al Jazeera.

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It's war....War is hell. Some times good people die in the process. and I for one can tell ya...When under fire your view point becomes very pointed. When fired upon you freakin return fire cause if you don't ....Usually you or your buddy comes home in a body bag.
First of all... this whole "War is hell" thing. That is a concept I had not considered. Those three words organized in that fashion... it is an amazingly profound statement. I will keep that in mind. As for what I quoted... you could add the words "people make errors in judgement." and it would be a fair bit more realistic.

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Rather than admit to making a grave error in judgement or perception... they let loose with the "significant" fire song and dance. USA makes no mistakes when it comes to war. The same line of BS that all too many people will gobble up like candy.
You know... you question the integrity of the reporters... At least the 400 or so of them staying there got their stories straight. On the other hand the various people in the field and in the press conferences all said something different. Thats my biggest beef... the US manure spreader with a fair bit of the US populace following behind... mouths wide open... gobbling it up.
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