BYU snubbed by BCS

[howste]

There are only two undefeated Division 1 teams in the country. Miami (11-0) and BYU (12-0). Any guess who gets no BCS bowl game?

[wyvrn]

The BCS takes into account strength of schedule. BYU had a relatively easier schedule that most other teams with one loss, which is why they are undefeated. I don't think BYU would last long playing Miami, Tennesee, Colorado, Florida, or Nebraska. BYU is a good team, no doubt, but they have not proven they can beat a quality top 5 team, so they do not deserve a spot at the title game, even though they are undefeated.

Personally I am sick of the poll system, regardless how they structure it. Use the polls to rank the top 16 teams and then use a playoff system to determine, unequivocally, who is the best team in the nation at the end of the season. This way the BYU's of the world gets their chance to prove what they are made of.

[Mntsnow]

BYU does have and has had "quality" teams! To say other-wise, is a farce In my NOT so humble opinion! While I will admit that I would be pleasantly suprised to see them beat Miami this year I think they could still put up a "quality" fight. Personally I think BYU has been and will continue to be discriminated against due to their ties to the LDS church and the rules that they hold their players to. but again that is my opinion and I'm going to change my mind on that subject so to me that subject is not open to debate ....you guys can debate it but I wont.


Lastly I say...get rid of the "conferences" and let all the teams compete against all teams..and do it in rotation...that way all teams play other other teams soon or later.

[Spartan]

Personally I think BYU has been and will continue to be discriminated against due to their ties to the LDS church and the rules that they hold their players to.

Regardless of that, no Mountain West/WAC team will get the respect of the nation (or a BCS berth) until they post quality wins and run the table in their conference. Fresno State did it in the beginning of the year by beating some very good teams, then had 2 questionable losses. (...and they will lose to MSU...) The MAC is in the same boat. Marshall won a bunch of games, went undefeated for a long time, and no BCS came of it.

Even if there were a playoff system (which I am in favor of), the politicking will still continue. That 17th ranked team will be pissed in much the same way BYU is today. At the very least, BYU should be playing in a New Years day bowl -- not the Independence Bowl.

Incidentally, my wife's university is playing in the division II football finals this weekend. Go Grand Valley!

but again that is my opinion and I'm going to change my mind on that subject

..... um, ok

[bullgator]

OHHHH, I probably should not jump in but just can't resist.

Why is BYU the ONLY Mtn West team to NOT schedule a top 25 opponent ? Seems like the A.D. needs to do a better job. Or do they NOT want to play ranked teams ? I'm sick and tired of hearing this stuff from BYU year in and year out. PLAY SOMEBODY!

Hmmmm BYU needs a last second field goal and a lot of referee help to beat Mississippi State....almost the worst team in SEC. But probably the best team BYU has played all year.

Its a fact that to win a national championship you've got to get thru the State of Florida... Gators, Canes, or Noles, come on down BYU be glad to see what ya got. Though you might want to see if you can get by the U of South Florida ( Lee Roy Selmons kids) b4 ya try the big leagues.

Could care less what the religious affiliation is.

[Mike]

I want to know why Nebraska is still #3 I believe! They got trashed by Colorado, and Colorado is still number #4. The BCS has screwed over many teams, although they've helped many others.

People ALWAYS seem to bash on the BCS, but I have to agree with one thing, and that is that we need a fairly decent ranking system, and it seems that the BCS stepped up so it's their job now.

WTF does Nebraska get favored in the BCS (Seems that way at least!!) I guess i'll leave it at that, or i'll spend the rest of the day bashing/whining about Nebraska..hehe

[Spartan]

Mike -- I agree with you on the Nebraska thing. The same thing happened to State in '99 when we beat Michigan. They went to a BCS bowl (Orange) and State to the Citrus, even though both teams had identical records.

The BCS is undoubtably favors the historical "big-time" programs.

Oh and yes, I did go to the Missouri game last weekend. Missouri was absolutely pathetic & you could tell they had nothing to play for.

[Mike]

Oh and yes, I did go to the Missouri game last weekend. Missouri was absolutely pathetic & you could tell they had nothing to play for.

I had some friends that went to the game last weekend, they were calling me all excited because Missouri was getting an old fashion whoopin'

Well PSU lost to Virginia, when Virginia had nothing to play for! (Feel sorry for Joe P..Knowing that he only has a few good years left.)

[crazyray]

Mntsnow location: (UTAH)

Personally I think BYU has been and will continue to be discriminated against due to their ties to the LDS church and the rules that they hold their players to.

I'm afraid this is true. The one that tickles me is the argument that BYU players are more mature because of their mission time and therefore it is unfair for them to play against "real" freshmen, sophomores, juniors, and seniors. (Hey Booby Bowden: How old was Chris Weinke? Has he started getting letters from the NARP yet?) My experience has indicated to me that those guys don't spend much time working out or improving their game skills while on missions.

Unfortunately, the comments about strength of schedule are valid. The BCS still has plenty of BS, but they're gettin' closer. Unless $ sways things even more than now, the desired "playoff" system is not likely to come about.

[dragonb]

First of all, I'm a HUGE BYU fan. I've read every argument, for and against, and sideways. So, I'm not going to jump in to this argument, but just clarify one persons ignorance.


<quote>Why is BYU the ONLY Mtn West team to NOT schedule a top 25 opponent ? Seems like the A.D. needs to do a better job. Or do they NOT want to play ranked teams ? I'm sick and tired of hearing this stuff from BYU year in and year out. PLAY SOMEBODY!
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First of all, schedules are made years in advance. All schedules for the next 4-5 years are in place. BUT, BYU is anxiously trying to schedule good teams from the so-called BCS conferences. Miss ST. WAS ranked in the top-25 preseason. BYU tries and tries to schedule big name teams, and you know WHY we have trouble doing it???? THEY won't play us fairly. Most times, teams schedule non-conference games in a Home/Away fashion. 1 game at your place, 1 game at our place. But, many teams that BYU tries to schedule this way, won't do it. We had to do 2 at Notre Dame, and 1 at home to get them to play us.
Now, since we don't try to schedule GOOD teams, let's look at future schedules.

2002 Syracuse
Georgia Tech
2003 USC
Georgia Tech
Stanford
Notre Dame
2004 USC
Stanford
Notre Dame

Considering with the conference games, you only get 4 other games, I'd say BYU is going out of it's way to play good teams.
Even though this year, our SOS would have been way better if we would have played Boise St instead of Miss St.


Also, there are MANY ways that Strength of Schedule is flawed. Let's look at one. Nevada's SOS is considerably better than BYU's.(60+ pts) Yet, they played 3 MWC teams, and then their conference the WAC. How in the world does that make their Schedule better than ours? It doesn't.

Humph. Well, I personally think this whole BCS argument will be a moot point in the next year or two. It will come crashing down upon it's ears.(especially if Nebraska goes to Rose bowl) It is going to hear it from all sides....Colorado, and other teams slighted, not just BYU, the courts and the conferences, Congress(did you know congress stepped in after the 1996 fiasco, hence the "changes" were made) and the NCAA.
It will come down. We can only hope something better goes up in it's place.
dragonb