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Old 03-14-2003, 05:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Gotcha Chuckie....Yeah in the area you mention it can be a bit of pain but then again it's "the price I'm willing to pay" to provide for that added measure of safety. But it is also why I have multiple firearms and multiple holsters to choose from. I pretty much can carry everywhere I and my family go and can do all of the activities that we enjoy (well except for swimming) so All you bad people out there...If you want me...Find me when I'm at the water park I guess.

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Old 03-14-2003, 05:42 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I have one in the closet next to the door, one next to my bed and one in my office and all are loaded with safeties on. A lady was killed in our apartments when a guy climbed up to her 3rd floor apartment balcony and snuck in. He stabbed her repeatedly. I live on the 3rd floor as well. It is not a bad neighborhood, but you can never be too careful and crime happens everywhere. In this practice, be sure that the guns are not locked, because a locked gun is no better than holding a hammer or a small club in defense. A burglar is not going to wait for you to get your keys to unlock your firearm. When you have children, be sure to teach them NOT to touch the guns unless under your supervision. People think this is impossible, but a well taught disciplined and obedient child will do what they are told, especially if you show them what a gun can do (take them shooting pumpkins and to the firing range regularly) , so they know it is very powerful and not a toy.
WOW! I can't believe what I'm reading you must be the one and only person that never defied his parents as a child. I now understand how all these kids killing kids with guns happens.
Recently in Washington a 13yr old boy shot and killed his 10 yr old sister with a gun his father kept loaded and unlocked in their home. The father was a cop, the gun was his service revolver. This kid had some problems, but apparently the father felt it was enough to teach his son to have respect for guns.

I do agree with you Dave, that you should teach your children about guns if you own them, but I also think you can't expect a child to never have a lapse in judgement.

I am by no means against the right to bear arms, however these are dangerous weapons and should owned responsibly. I do believe gun owners should be held responsible when their children do terrible things with their weapons. And there should be a definition for reasonable precautions. I don't believe a loaded gun with the safety on in a house with children is reasonable precaution.
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Old 03-14-2003, 05:43 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I got a couple of them. no need to carry them near the door since I have an iron fence and dogs outside.

now if I lived where my roots are from, I would have a couple of home made rocket launchers pointing around the home. that way you can make sure they don't even make it to your doorstep


And not a bad idea about the hand grenade , lol.
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Old 03-14-2003, 05:47 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I do not have children, yet. My 3 guns are not in the presence of children. Sure, when I have kids, things will change slightly. I will not use gun-locks, though. That is like not even having a gun. I will have to use something else.

I grew up with guns in the house and so did all of my friends. Even though I was a bad little youngster at times, I never played with the guns, nor did my friends.
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I too was raised in a home with multiple firearms and never had a problem with following the rules of the home....but that was also when a parent could put "hand to butt" and instill some awareness when needed... but I guess that would be for another thread...

I have children and I dont leave my firearm arms laying around unattended. But I take my kids shooting with me and they shoot them as well, they help clean the firearms when we return and we are always talking about safety. When my kids want to see the firearms they ask as they know I will show them and thus they have no need to have to "sneak" a peek. Other than the one's my wife and I are currently carrying the rest are locked up in a gun safe to which only my wife and I have access too. My neighbors know I and my wife are active in the shooting sports and carry and they have no problems in having their children in my home as they know that we follow and preach good firearm ownership and responsablity
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I don't answer the door with any kind of weapon. I figure that my entire town is upper middle class and an easy drive up the street their are housing developments with houses that are worth $600k plus with $50k+ cars in the driveway.
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I dont consider myself "Paranoid" and neither would my friends or neighbors and I'm far from being an extremist
I forgot who said it Bill Jordan or maybe Elmer Keith, Well one of those gun guys anyway.

"Why Should I Be Paranoid I've Got The Gun"

Always thought that was a great line................
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With widespread usage of Crack Cocaine and "Fake" Methamphetamine causing fatal home break-ins, I keep my Firestar Plus hidden in the couch next to the door.

These people are so brazen they will break and enter during daylight hours, most often between 3:00-5:30 pm

Locally, there are many cases of outright murder for less than $20 in cash or merchandise taken. Several convenience stores have been robbed at the most odd hours of 7:00 am lately.
One clerk was fatally stabbed a while back, perp never found.

My house was robbed about 5 years ago, luckily they missed 49 handguns hidden under some old clothes in a spare room that I'd taken in on pawn.

Now a forceful entry will be met with 12 rounds of European police 9mm, or if I'm in the vehicle, the service Colt Series IV 45 will dispatch up to 6 intruders.

And yes I have a Concealed Weapons Permit.

One more important tidbit.

Merely pulling a weapon does not mandate burning powder.
Often the sight of a defensive item puts a chill on any person who intends harm.
One must be ready for those who wish to meet Allah early and give them the wish, instead of becoming a statistic.
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Old 03-14-2003, 08:17 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I always recommed the "Draw-shoot" style. Never brandish. Less chance to hesitate that way. No point in showing your firearm hoping the perp will go away. Tell him "Back away or I will shoot". But don't show your weapon without shooting. Save that for professionals. If you won't shoot, don't carry.

Either way, you will never be the same again...
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Sure, when I have kids, things will change slightly. I will not use gun-locks, though. That is like not even having a gun. I will have to use something else.
Do what I did, Dave, and banish the revolvers!

Employ only semi-auto weapons in the house when there are children present.

Reason being, a revolver, well, that's just ASKING for trouble....revolvers have no safety, you just yank the trigger (modern revolvers are "double action", so you need not even **** the hammer) and BAM!

A few years ago, I did an audit through the L.A. Times about instances of children who came to grief through gunfire. In almost every case, the gun was a revolver. The exceptions were two loaded (and irresponsibly kept) shotguns.

Not one single instance of a loaded semi-auto was recorded in an 8-year period. Why?

Because you have to know how to WORK one. Until you teach spmeone how to jack a round into the chamber, they won't know. So you can keep a loaded gun in a household with kids (just don't keep a round in the chamber,) and not worry about it.
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