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Old 03-13-2003, 08:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Terror: A letter worth reading and saving!

The light at the end of the tunnel is not necessarily a train coming at you!!

Forget the Plastic Sheets

Words of Wisdom >From An Armor Master

by SFC Red Thomas (Ret)

Reproduction and distribution is authorized and encouraged.


Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions of
chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to write a
paper and keep things in their proper perspective. I am a retired military
weapons, munitions, and training expert.


Lesson number one: In the mid 1990s there were a series of nerve gas
attacks on crowded Japanese subway stations. Given perfect conditions for
an attack less than 10% of the people there were injured. 60 Minutes once
had a fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas could kill a thousand
people, well he didn't tell you the thousand dead people per drop was
theoretical.


Drill Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff was to keep the recruits
awake in class (I know this because I was a Drill Sergeant too).

Forget everything you've ever seen on TV, in the movies, or read in a novel
about this stuff, it was all a lie (read this sentence again out loud!).

These weapons are about terror, if you remain calm, you will probably not
die. This is far less scary than the media and their "Experts," make it
sound.


Chemical weapons are categorized as Nerve, Blood, Blister, and
Incapacitating agents. Contrary to the hype of reporters and politicians
they are not weapons of mass destruction, they are "Area denial," and
terror weapons that don't destroy anything. When you leave the area you
almost always leave the risk. That's the difference; you can leave the area
and the risk; soldiers may have to stay put and sit through it and that's
why they need all that spiffy gear.


These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air borne particles. The
agent must be delivered in sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and that
defines when/how it's used.


Every day we have a morning and evening inversion where "stuff," suspended
in the air gets pushed down. This inversion is why allergies (pollen) and
air pollution are worst at these times of the day. So, a chemical attack
will have its best effect an hour or so either side of sunrise/sunset.
Also, being vapors and airborne particles they are heavier than air so they
will seek low places like ditches, basements and underground garages. This
stuff won't work when it's freezing, it doesn't last when it's hot, and
wind spreads it too thin too fast. They've got to get this stuff on you or
get you to inhale it for it to work. They also have to get the
concentration of chemicals high enough to kill or wound you. Too little and
it's nothing, too much and it's wasted. What I hope you've gathered by this
point is that a chemical weapons attack that kills a lot of people is
incredibly hard to do with military grade agents and equipment so you can
imagine how hard it will be for terrorists. The more you know about this
stuff the more you realize how hard it is to use. We'll start by talking
about nerve agents.

You have these in your house, plain old bug killer (like Raid) is nerve
agent. All nerve agents work the same way; they are cholinesterase
inhibitors that mess up the signals your nervous system uses to make your
body function. It can harm you if you get it on your skin but it works best
if they can get you to inhale it. If you don't die in the first minute and
you can leave the area you're probably gonna live. The military's antidote
for all nerve agents is atropine and pralidoxime chloride. Neither one of
these does anything to cure the nerve agent, they send your body into
overdrive to keep you alive for five minutes, after that the agent is used
up. Your best protection is fresh air and staying calm. Listed below are
the symptoms for nerve agent poisoning. Sudden headache, Dimness of
vision(someone you're looking at will have pinpointed pupils), Runny nose,
Excessive saliva or drooling, Difficulty breathing, Tightness in chest,
Nausea, Stomach cramps, Twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just got
on you.

If you are in public and you start experiencing these symptoms, first ask
yourself, did anything out of the ordinary just happen, a loud pop, did
someone spray something on the crowd? Are other people getting sick too?
Is there an odor of new mown hay, green corn, something fruity, or camphor
where it shouldn't be? If the answer is yes, then calmly (if you panic you
breathe faster and inhale more air/poison) leave the area and head up wind
or, outside. Fresh air is the best "right now antidote." If you have a blob
of liquid that looks like molasses or Karo syrup on you; blot it or scrape
it off and away from yourself with anything disposable. This stuff works
based on your body weight, what a crop duster uses to kill bugs won't hurt
you unless you stand there and breathe it in real deep, then lick the
residue off the ground for while. Remember they have to do all the work,
they have to get the concentration up and keep it up for several minutes
while all you have to do is quit getting it on you/quit breathing it by
putting space between you and the attack.

Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your blood's ability to
provide oxygen to your tissue. The scenario for attack would be the same as
nerve agent. Look for a pop or someone splashing/spraying something and
folks around there getting woozy/falling down. The telltale smells are
bitter almonds or garlic where it
shouldn't be. The symptoms are blue lips, blue under the fingernails and
rapid breathing. The military's antidote is amyl nitride and just like
nerve agent antidote it just keeps your body working for five minutes till
the toxins are used up. Fresh air is the your best individual chance.

Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that nobody wants to even
handle it let alone use it. It's almost impossible to handle safely and may
have delayed effect of up to 12 hours. The attack scenario is also limited
to the things you'd see from other chemicals. If you do get large,
painful blisters for no apparent reason, don't pop them, if you must, don't
let the liquid from the blister get on any other area, the stuff just keeps
on spreading. It's just as likely to harm the user as the target. Soap,
water, sunshine, and fresh air are this stuff's enemy.


Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they use industrial
chemical pills); they are intended to make you panic, to terrorize you, to
herd you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack, leave the area
and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind stream. They have to get the
stuff to you, and on you. You're more likely to be hurt by a drunk driver
on any given day than be hurt by one of these attacks. Your odds get better
if you leave the area. Soap, water, time, and fresh air really deal this
stuff a knock-out-punch. Don't let fear of an isolated attack rule your
life. The odds are really on your side.

Nuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass destruction on earth.
The effects of a nuclear bomb are heat, blast, EMP, and radiation. If you
see a bright flash of light like the sun, where the sun isn't, fall to the
ground! The heat will be over a second. Then there will be two blast
waves, one out going, and one on it's way back. Don't stand up to see what
happened after the first wave; anything that's going to happen will have
happened in two full minutes. These will be low yield devices and will not
level whole cities. If you live through the heat, blast, and initial burst
of radiation, you'll probably live for a very very long time. Radiation
will not create fifty foot tall women, or giant ants and grasshoppers the
size of tanks. These will be at the most 1 kiloton bombs; that's the
equivalent of
1,000 tons of TNT.

Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation will kill a lot of
exposed (not all!) people within a half mile of the blast. Under perfect
conditions this is about a half mile circle of death and destruction, but,
when it's done it's done. EMP stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse and it will
fry every electronic device for a good distance, it's impossible to say
what and how far but probably not over a couple of miles from ground zero
is a good guess. Cars, cell phones, computers, ATMs, you name it, all will
be out of order.

There are lots of kinds of radiation, you only need to worry about three,
the others you have lived with for years. You need to worry about
"Ionizing radiation," these are little sub atomic particles that go
whizzing along at the speed of light. They hit individual cells in your
body, kill
the nucleus and keep on going. That's how you get radiation poisoning, you
have so many dead cells in your body that the decaying cells poison you.

It's the same as people getting radiation treatments for cancer, only a
bigger area gets radiated. The good news is you don't have to just sit
there and take it, and there's lots you can do rather than panic.

First; your skin will stop alpha particles, a page of a newspaper or your
clothing will stop beta particles, you just gotta try and avoid inhaling
dust that's contaminated with atoms that are emitting these things and
you'll be generally safe from them. Gamma rays are particles that travel
like rays (quantum physics makes my brain hurt) and they create the same
damage as alpha and beta particles,only they keep going and kill lots of
cells as they go all the way through your body. It takes a lot to stop
these things, lots of dense material, on the other hand it takes a lot of
this to kill you. Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic hygiene
and normal preparation are your friends. All canned or frozen food is safe
to eat. The
radiation poisoning will not effect plants so fruits and vegetables are OK
if there's no dust on 'em (rinse 'em off if there is). If you don't have
running water and you need to collect rain water or use water from
wherever, just let it sit for thirty minutes and skim off the water gently
from the
top. The dust with the bad stuff in it will settle and the remaining water
can be used for the toilet which will still work if you have a bucket of
water to pour in the tank.

Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much to cover here.

Basic personal hygiene and sanitation will take you further than a million
doctors. Wash your hands often, don't share drinks, food, sloppy kisses,
etc., with strangers. Keep your garbage can with a tight lid on it, don't
have standing water (like old buckets, ditches, or kiddy pools) laying
around to allow mosquitoes breeding room. This stuff is carried by vectors,
that is bugs, rodents, and contaminated material.

If biological warfare is as easy as the TV makes it sound, why has Saddam
Hussein spent twenty years, millions, and millions of dollars trying to get
it right?

If you're clean of person and home, you eat well and are active, you're
gonna live. Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the same as
you'd take for a big storm. If you want a gas mask, fine, go get one. I
know this stuff and I'm not getting one and I told my Mom not to bother
with one either (how's that for confidence). We have a week's worth of
cash, several days worth of canned goods and plenty of soap and water. We
don't leave stuff out to attract bugs or rodents so we don't have them.
These weapons are made to cause panic, terror, and to demoralize. If we
don't run around like sheep they won't use this stuff after they find out
it's no fun. The government is going nuts over this stuff because they have
to protect every inch of America. You've only gotta protect yourself, and
by doing that, you help the country.

Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I wrote here and you
can think up specific scenarios where my advice isn't the best. This letter
is supposed to help the greatest number of people under the greatest number
of situations. If you don't like my work, don't nit pick, just sit
down and explain chemical, nuclear, and biological warfare in a document
around three pages long yourself. This is how we the people of the United
States can rob these people of their most desired goal, your terror.


(c) SFC Red Thomas (Ret)

Armor Master Gunner

Mesa, AZ

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Old 03-13-2003, 09:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thank you for the (un)common sense.

Have been trying to remember all of that from old talks with my dad. Have been wishing I could pump him for a few minutes lately...

And many thanx for the permission to distribute, I have a few places to put this...
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Old 03-13-2003, 10:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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All good stuff. As an infectious diseases specialist I get really annoyed when people talk about biological warfare, as it's very difficult to make it work in nearly every case (except maybe smallpox, but that's a very special case).

Hope this kind of information gets more exposure in the media than it has; but I doubt it.

The media want sensationalism, not common sense.

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I agree Mick. However, I can see that one's governement might want you to stay exactly where you are if there's a bio outbreak. The last thing they want is people wandering about all over the place

If you read up on Aum Shinryo (the Japan nerve gas folks) they had tried for several months to poison and infect locals and American servicemen with various microbes and chemicals, and failed every time.
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Yes, they were a messed up group. Each time they tried to do something their devices ended up breaking or messing up. They couldn't even let off nerve gas in a train station.
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For a different, more scientific point of view, you may want to read a peer-reviewed article in the Journal of Burns (http://www.journalofburns.com/), titled Public Health Status of the Civil Population of Sardasht 15 Years Following Large-Scale Wartime Exposure to Sulfur Mustard. This was researched and written by Iranian scientists.

It's fairly technical, but you get the picture. Chemical weapons are not to be trifled with. And the difference in sophistication between Iraq and some rogue religious cult should not be trivialized.
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As I understand it the nerve gas used in japan was not properly dispersed. This made the survival rate much better.

I do not disagree that much of this is hype however most of this is really based upon battle field type scenario's. The anthrax letters are an interesting case study. Had the morons simply placed a little metal spring in the envelope it would have acted like much more effective pump. Each stage where the letter was squeezed it would have spread in a much more effective way. Poor planning is not a guarantee of future poor planning.

The real danger though from chem and bio agents is that people do not want to be the one out of 50 or 1 out of 100 who die in a bungled attempt. Dropping lightbulbs on the tracks filled with anthrax would paralyze a large city. In a better attempt you could always drop a pound or two and let the subway act as a pump. Perhaps concentrations not great enough to build up 20,000 spores in every visitors lungs but enough to sicken hundreds of thousands and kill many thousands of weak and young.

So while the article is factual the truth be told terrorists do not need to kill many, they just need to paralyze most with fear. And the potential for a proper dispersal is merely a matter of either luck, training or proper planning. Do we think that time will improve or reduce the chances of a proper dispersal in NYC, chicago, concerts, arenas or random micro dispersals.

I guess much of this is fear mongering but truth be told technology marches on. Ask the kurds how ineffective these agents are.

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Good points epidemic (a suitable name for the thread! )

Unless Saddam moves a battery of chemical artillery into downtown Manhattan, we aren't going to see a re-run of Halabja. However, even a failed attempt on the scale of Tokyo would be enough to paralyze the city, if not the entire region.

Biowar with contagious pathogens however, is a far more worrying possibility.
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Unless Saddam moves a battery of chemical artillery into downtown Manhattan.

I agree with the biowarfare comment. Extremely low tech methods of spread can be used if you have an agent who does not care about death during dispersal. A nice summer day in new york the iraqi news stand fellar with the fan blowing on him could very well include an occasional puff of anthrax into the crowd for instance. Chemical agents as well do not need complex low temperature explosions to disperse them. An air conditioning system in a large building could extremely easily be used to spread toxic levels into the air (logic would dictate in a closed environment even evaporated in sufficient concentration you could wipe out a large office building) Of course we do not have any un papered aliens working in custodial roles in these building so I guess there is no risk right.
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Unless Saddam moves a battery of chemical artillery into downtown Manhattan.


How could he possibly do that?

I think everyone is just paranoid. And fearful. This is exactly what these terrorists want.
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