"The issue here isn't that France opposes us...

[Theophylact]

...The real point is that everyone opposes us. Everyone."

[Chuckiechan]

I don't worry too much about that. It is our job to look out for our national interest, not the UN's. There was a move afoot once about a "world government" - a very bad idea. Why? Because there is no end of forces trying to weaken the United States. Believe it or not, a lot of people want to see us fall.

So in a nutshell, the world will just have to stand by and whine about the big, bad, USA!

[cowboybooter]

Good call, Theo,

From President Blair's standpoint, he is now in a lose lose situation. We go to war, he will not remain PM for long. We don't, and he still wont! His neck is not just on the block, the cut has been made.


As for Bush, well, since he needed 'legal interpretation' to even become President he probably has a 'thin' line to cross.

If 'we' ( united allies ) go in heavy handed, gain control of Iraq etc etc, and no justification for this is determined, ie no WOMD are ever found,( like Bin Laden ) the legacy of Saddam lives on in his martyrdom, there will always be those willing to take his place. The Middle East will not trust the west. The USA will have a long term, dissatisfied enemy there.

Is this what everyone wants ?

IMHO



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[caddmannq]

Originally posted by cowboybooter
The USA will have a long term, dissatisfied enemy there....

We've got that already. And what makes you think that the M.E. trusts us now?

IMHO, we're at the point of no return, because we've made our challenge, we've found clear violations in Iraq, and S.H. has just waggled his tongue in our collective faces about it.

Damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

Might as well "do" as be damned for "don't."

[ben-the-slacker]

Originally posted by Chuckiechan
Believe it or not, a lot of people want to see us fall.

Gee, ya think so? Well, if we quit shoving our policy down other people's throats, maybe they'll like us a little more.

[Epidemic]

Hey what if the reports are right and people really dont like saddam much.

What if the USA actually does try to set up a government of the people of iraq by the people of iraq and for the people of iraq?

What if that government is the new shining light in an otherwise dark and dingy pisshole. What if Iraqis like to have a government where their rights are considered above that of their leaders whims?

What would happen in the middle east if all that happened?

[cowboybooter]

Reality would kick in, Epedemic.

What if.......................

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[Epidemic]

Perhaps your reality.

You are saying that Iraqis would not like to have a government based on human rights?

Are you saying they are so backward that they could not handle freedom?

[ben-the-slacker]

Well Epidemic, if that really is the case, then I say leave them alone and let them find their own way to freedom. It means more when they find it themselves and not let a superpower do it for them.

[Epidemic]

I agree with you assesment about finding it themselves being better if this was not a country with huge stock piles of weapons of mass destruction?

From where the iraq is today it would take more than 100 years for them to reach a solid stable form of government.

The corruption and power that government wields in iraq will simply be replace by the next corrupt government. Any one powerfull enough to dethrone saddam will be corrupt by the power that brought him to leadership of the country.

During that hundred years of instability how many Iraqis will die, How far will their weapons programs progress? Who will lead this country sporting weapons of extinction to come? You can not leave little boys in control of such toys.