»
 

Go Back   ResellerRatings Store Ratings > ResellerRatings Forums > Off Topic Community

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-08-2003, 01:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
tarpat1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Blackwood, NJ
Posts: 602
tarpat1 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to tarpat1 Send a message via Yahoo to tarpat1
Mineral Spirits

Ok an odd question for a Tech website, but I know I can get an answer to this here. How long should I leave a brush in mineral spirits after using it to apply polyurethane? I know I need to soak the brush in water after the mineral spirits and store it in the garage (or at least not in my house!) but is this something that needs to just be poured on or does it need to soak for a number of hours? Thanks.

tarpat1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 03:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Knothead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: South Bay, CA
Posts: 600
Knothead is on a distinguished road
Hi, Tarpat,
I'm assuming you are using a good-quality, 0% synthetic, all-natural bristle brush...My method is to wick off the excess poly onto paper towels, as much as you can get out of the bristles. I like to save 1-qt coffee cans, and then put the brush in, and cover up to the ferrule with spirits.

Let it sit over nite, then rinse again in fresh spirits, flicking the brush clear after each dip. This should do the job...then wrap the bristles with a paper towel, failrly tight (you want to keep the shape) and secure with a rubber band.

Do not use any water at any time. Keep as a dedicated oil-based media brush.

For water-based finishes (like latex) user the cheaper synthetic brushes, clean the same way (only using water, of course ) and keep as a dedicated water-media brush.
Knothead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 05:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
RedFury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: mInN3$0t@
Posts: 1,303
RedFury is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to RedFury
I agree with Knot. And as the resident Polyurethane expert ( well, at least I work with it everyday ), I'd got a step further with the brush after cleaning and try to keep it wrapped in something relatively air tight, even if it is a plastic bag tightly wrapped around the brush and then fastened with rubber bands.

Normally I don't even take my brush out of my polyurethane though. It sits in my bucket day in and day out, but then...I use it every day. Depending on how much of the polyurethane you used, and how big the container is, I'd just leave it right in the poly ( but this really only works on 1 gallon containers ).

Like Knot said though, rinsing throroughly with mineral spirits, or Naptha would be the best way to go. I would never suggest keeping a brush in Mineral spirits long term however.
__________________
do it right, do it yourself. If that doesn't work, prepare to pay for your mistakes.
RedFury is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 06:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
Guest
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Or if you're a lazy bum you can wrap the brush and toss it in the freezer if you're not finished! (you can generally procrastinate a month before you get back to your project!)

surreal ducks and runs!
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 07:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
prexaspes
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
People! You're crazy!

I'm an "Industrial Coatings Expert" (read "painter").

Red, shame on you! Leaving your brush in the poly all day everyday. And Surreal, do you eat food out of that freezer?

Keep in mind that my advice is based on keeping my oil brushes in service for several different applications and long periods of time.

As Knothead said, use a good natural bristle brush for poly. The white chinese bristle brushes are better than the black chinese bristle brushes for polyurethane. They are easier to cut in with and will usually leave less brush marks than the black chinese bristle brushes.

You should clean your brushes when you are done with them. I don't let my brushes soak in thinner, unless they're already beat. They are usually epoxy resin locked into the ferrule, and letting the brush soak in thinner can weaken the bond. This is especially true with stronger thinners. I usually paint my brush out and rinse it in thinner. A half inch of thinner in the bottom of a 1 gallon can or rollerpan will do nicely. You'll need to rinse it in fresh thinner at least three times. Polyurethane is very sticky, so you will be able to tell when the brush is getting clean. Dip the brush in, squeeze the thinner out, repeat...

Natural bristle brushes should never be put in water. The bristles get all screwed up and stick together. It is very hard to paint with latex paint and a natural bristle brush.

Turpentine, mineral spirits, and paint thinner are all generally the same thing. I prefer paint thinner because it usually has a higher oil content and will keep your brush soft and supple for cutting in longer. Strong thinners will dry out the bristles and cause the brush to fray, whether you keep it in a shape retaining container or not. If you plan on keeping the brush in storage for a while, rinse it out in kerosene. Kerosene doesn't have the excessive oil content that diesel has, but will keep your bristles in a happy, workable state while they rest in your shop.

If you are using a synthetic bristle brush, just clean it with thinner. The bristles won't dry out in a nylon/polyester brush, but the same rules of soaking them in thinner apply.

I strongly suggest using a natural bristle for all oil based paints, except for epoxy. Epoxy paint doesn't matter; whatever brush you put into it is going to die a dry, painful death.

If you only want one good brush, I suggest a Chinex/polyester brush. I have a few that I use for only latex paint, but some of my co-workers have severely abused them and they hold their shape. They are excellent for cutting in with high quality paint, as the bristles are a little stiffer than some other premium brushes.

I'm sorry if I told you too much
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 08:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
Registered User
 
swamp-fox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Tampa,Fl
Posts: 286
swamp-fox is on a distinguished road
Prex is right you have to squeeze the thinner out of the brush with your hands repeatedly. Some people think you can just jab the brush down in the thinner and it's clean. I can use the same brush for almost a year using it every day. The bristles wear out but the brush is still clean. Also you need a steel brush for cleaning the brush to get all the semi hardened paint out of the base of the brush and keep rinsing in thinner. IF your just using it one time then by all means throw it away. A saying from an old Cuban painter I used to work with " your tools are your friends take care of them and they'll take care of you"

swamp
swamp-fox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 08:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Knothead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: South Bay, CA
Posts: 600
Knothead is on a distinguished road
This is so funny! This is why I like this Community so much!

Check it out: by the time we are done debating this, we will have totally defined paintbrush care...and some folks might say, "yeah, whatever", but...at this moment, this is REAL IMPORTANT, and there's some very knowledgeable people defining some very good points! WHEEEE!

Prexaspes: White China bristles? I have never seen these. Only black (Chinese) bristles. Hmmm?
Knothead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 08:47 PM   #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
tarpat1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Blackwood, NJ
Posts: 602
tarpat1 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to tarpat1 Send a message via Yahoo to tarpat1
Wow! Thanks for all the great advice, and Knot you are right thats why I love it here. I think I will take the stringest advice from all of you and mix it all together and use it, so I should not use water, I should squeeze out the thinner until it is apparent that the brush is becoming less and less sticky, then tightly rubber band the brush in a bag preferably around the brisltes or lzay man way the whole brush in a bag. Ok well thanks, this is a surprise for my wife I made her a table and this is the first time for me using poly and thinner so wish me luck. Thanks again!
tarpat1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 09:10 PM   #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Knothead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: South Bay, CA
Posts: 600
Knothead is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally posted by tarpat1
.... my wife, I made her a table and this is the first time for me using poly and thinner so wish me luck.....
OH! What kind of wood did you make this table out of? (I may have some more hints for you! )
Knothead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2003, 10:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
RedFury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: mInN3$0t@
Posts: 1,303
RedFury is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to RedFury
LOL! Never thought I'd get scolded about paint brush etiquette!

Prex, I coat hardwood floors everday with a lambs wool applicator and a brush for cutting in corners and anywhere else the 14 inch mop won't fit. We keep both in wooden boxes on which sits the rolling base ( a lid with wheels if you need a visual ). For myself, I used my poly everyday, all day, so the way I take care of my equipment is going to vary much differently from someone who paints trim or furniture. My guess would be that we're looking at a long term storage issue here, since he probably won't use this brush soon after the project is complete.

What about just using the Foam disposable brushes? I've seen some painters use them to finish furniture onsite....
__________________
do it right, do it yourself. If that doesn't work, prepare to pay for your mistakes.
RedFury is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Most Active Discussions

Recent Discussions

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:01 PM.