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03-01-2003, 11:53 AM
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No troops in Turkey
Bush is going to have a fit over this. 
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03-01-2003, 12:40 PM
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No time like the present to establish a state for the Kurds in the "Northern No Fly Zone". We already have wall to wall CIA in there. As well as other covert operations run out of there. It's about time anyway. They deserve a nation-state, even though we said they didn't to mollify the Turks. Unless Turkey changes it's mind, this is a very serious blow to American strategic plans. This could be the blow the pacifists are looking for.
The 23 Billion was obstensibly to help defray economic costs like what happend in the last war. Now the same thing will happen, but they will get no money.
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03-01-2003, 12:44 PM
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No problem , just a matter of arriving at a price, USA alway pays and pays and goes further in debt to do it. where do you think the money comes from. ??????
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03-01-2003, 04:50 PM
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Does it tell you something when you can't get an ally to support you even if you bribe it?
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03-01-2003, 05:14 PM
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I suspect they will come to an agreement by the second round of votes, it is an often used tactic in countries where the people do not support the stance of their government, they (government) make it look like they hade to wrestle and seriously consider the issue before agreeing.
If by the second round the Turks still maintain this position then I would be very impressed with their ability to have the balls to say no.
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03-01-2003, 11:02 PM
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Bad move for Turkey if you ask me.
Theo, i don't think your statement is entirely accurate. This could easily be considered a "hostage" techinique by Turkey. They know how badly we wish to use their country to stage from, and they think they can get more from us. When we said "this is all we can give" they turn us down to see if we offer more.
Weak, at best. There is so much politics revolving around this for gain, and it's risking leaving a tyrant in power. A dangerous game, especially in the light of revealing what might come of a war to disarm Iraq. I think there will be a lot of egg on a lot of faces, and then they'll have to really justify their positions. I can't wait to see them squirm when they are faced with the cold hard truth.
Personally, i hope we just ignore Turkey. give them a fond farewell - best of luck without our support. Why should we support them now when they border on extortion? Extortion to our ridding the world of a known threat to peace and stability, and a known supporter of terrorism... a nown posessor of banned weapons who only revealed an inkling of those weapons when facing imminent war.
It does tell me something, Theo - that Turkey is an opportunist.
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03-02-2003, 12:28 AM
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The problem with Turkey, is it's Muslim population. They think Iraq is just swell.
If Turkey doesn't change course (their politicians are trying) they are going to be frozen out of Iraq's rebuilding-at least the prime contracts. The Kurds are going to find themselves with new found friends here in the USA. Democracy works both ways. The USA has (was) helping to push to allow Turkey into the European Economic Union. Turkey is (was) our closest Muslim ally in which we were instumental in acquiring loans to get the through tough economic times of 2001.
Turkey is a democracy, and its Muslim majority of voters has spoken. Its Kurdish minority is silent for now. NATO has been fatally damaged. Kurdistan may become a reality at last!
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03-02-2003, 09:24 AM
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I might as well point out that the Kurds are Muslims, too.
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03-02-2003, 09:35 AM
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| Quote: Does it tell you something when you can't get an ally to support you even if you bribe it?
| You can add Mexico to that list. I would think that full border inspections would get Presidente Fox's attention real quick.
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03-02-2003, 10:11 AM
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Well, now there is no northern front. Tommy Franks is going to be putting in a lot of OT on this one.
BTW: Yes, the Kurds are Muslims. They have no country thus no vote. We guarranteed Turkey that we would not encourage a Kurdistan as part of the deal. The phrase used was "not carve up Iraq". If the Kurds were to ever get a nation, this is their best chance. I wonder how they would vote? Turkey kills Kurds and wants no strong Kurds on it's southern border. Iraq's northern no fly zone was to keep Iraq from killing off the Kurds (with Turkey's encouragement, and we ignore it to placate Turkey).
This has been a long time coming.
BTW2: Lets not forget that Mexico allowed Nazi ships to dock in Mexico. They were promised the "traditional" western USA back if Germany won WW2.
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