Who's really behind the anti-war movement

[swamp-fox]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...7/134002.shtml

Already read somewhere else Saddam's people and supporters have been throwing mucho money into helping in organizing and funding many of the marches we've seen lately.

My question is where are all the protesters against Saddam and his murderous regime? Women's rights groups, Freedom of speach groups, Freedom of press groups, Freedom to breathe.

swamp

[ClubMed]

You fail to understand that the anti- war protestors are against Saddam and his regime. I keep on hearing, mostly from Americans, that the anti-war people are somehow pro-Saddam, this is quite silly.

The anti-war protestors are against an unjust and cynical war and at the same time they are against Saddam and his regime, and, as we have been discussing in a different thread, the path to democracy (i.e. non Saddam era) does not go through war, hence being 'anti-war'.

One cannot bomb people into democracy and one cannot bomb people into other ideologies, it has been tried before by other powers during their periods of ‘glory’, it’s time to learn from past experiences and mistakes.
Understand what people are saying, and what they mean, and where they are coming from is quite helpful.

P.s. An equally interesting question, who's answer renders the above article uselss is, " Who's really behind the pro-war movement?".

That’s all I have to say to this.

[pickel]

Congress Mulls Probe of Communists' Ties to Appeasement Movement, Radical Islam

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Main Entry: 1mull
Pronunciation: 'm&l
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In other words sit around with their finger you know where and do nothing.

[swamp-fox]

The point is There are many enemies of the west and the United States in particular. Many many times a well intentioned person ( who lives in and enjoy's the freedom's of the west) is decieved into thinking he is doing a "just cause" when there are many people behind the scenes pulling the strings. planting seeds of doubt (or lies) financing, supporting the same "cause". These same well intentioned people who don't have a clue as to what they are helping achieve. Be it communist, socialist, radical islam, contempt, or just plain hatred of the west and capitalist.

swamp

[willy_ph]

planting seeds of doubt (or lies) financing, supporting the same "cause".

These people exist on both sides of the debate. There are many in corporate America that have a lot to gain from a war. (Media, gas companies, weapons companies) You can't merely place the blame on one side.

[swamp-fox]

What I don't understand is why aren't these same people marching around saying "Saddam must go" they seem to put all their effort, time, money, etc into protesting Bush and the US.

Same for all the muslims of the world. Why don't we see massive marches denouncing the "radical terrorist" that are using their religon as a reason to kill people. I'm still waiting on a bunch of the imans to stand up, have a march, speeches, whatever denouncing the actions of these people that use the muslim religon.

BTW I'm catholic and I will publicly denounce every homosexual/pedophile priest that has abused any child. They should be put in jail, all of them they can preach from the prison,or shipped off to siberia where there are no children.( To do their penance)

Why? Because they are the worst hypocrites and are making my religon look so bad to many people. They should have been removed until proven guilty then locked up as soon as these things were found out not shipped to another parish. I would say the death penalty for them but I can't support it anymore. I will not make any excuses for these people. It's just plain wrong. They are held in such high esteem and reverance and they do this. It's sick. I believe we must be the harshest critics of ourselves and our own religon. Just like you're harder on your own children than the neighbors.

quote "Why do you point out the splinter in your brothers eye when you have a plank in yours"

swamp

[J-Excel]

Originally posted by ClubMed
One cannot bomb people into democracy

I've seen you post this a few times, and it is irrelevant. The US will not try to bomb the Iraqi people into democracy. That is silly.

It will however bomb the Iraqi government out of existence, and replace it with a democracy. That is very doable.

[Chuckiechan]

Here's the problem: We think the world cares about our (USA) security. They don't. It is not the UN's job to care about our security either. It is our responsibility to do what we can get away with to protect our security and national interests. This is how nations rise and fall. Don't look for sympathy from the fallen.

I only worry about politicians here in the USA aligning themselves with a foreign government's political agenda when it is counter to our official policy. Protesters can protest until they are blue in the face, but I expect more from our politicians. Even Hillary is quiet. She made her anti-war remark in Ireland so her ass is covered if it goes badly, but at least she is not seen to be trying to undermine our president's war effort.

[Atomic Rooster]

Great points Swamp-fox and J-Excel.
If these "anti-war" protests aren't anti-America and anti-Bush rallies, then show me at least one protest sign denouncing Saddam. You wont be able to.
The impending "war" isn't against the Iraqi people, it's with the murderous, totalitarian regime that controls the people. To rid Iraq of Saddam, is to free it's people.

[Mike]

Originally posted by J-Excel
I've seen you post this a few times, and it is irrelevant. The US will not try to bomb the Iraqi people into democracy. That is silly.

It will however bomb the Iraqi government out of existence, and replace it with a democracy. That is very doable.

That sounds like the same thing to me.... We are going to bomb Saddam out of existence and then try to enfore a Democratic government. Isn't that the same thing? What if they don't want a Democratic government? We are going to put it on them anyway..