Arab reaction to Columbia Disaster

[MTAtech]

According to news reports, Arab reaction to the Columbia disaster is similar to what Muhammad el-Guidi, a 29-year-old Egyptian designer, said to the NY Times, "The fact that one Israeli died is good news. Also, to have some American dead is good news because of what they do to us."

I'm not really sure what he's talking about when he said, ."..what they do to us." Their problems seem to me to be vastly home-grown.

These are the people that danced in the streets when the WTC fell. We have to be real about who our friends are and who are our enemies. We give billions of foreign aid dollars to Egypt and this is their reaction.

[M_Six]

By the "we" I'm sure he's referring to Islamics, not Egyptians as a whole. As far as supporting "friends", Egypt has always been a stabilizing presence in the Middle East. The presence of loud-mouthed, no-brain morons is no reason to stop supporting Egypt. There are English Islamics who feel the same way as this dolt. We still consider the English "friends."

I am not surprised.

Doesn't the US actively support a terrorist state (Israel) in murdering innocent civilians?

In times of conflict these things will always happen.

[Epidemic]

We support Israel a country which defends itself against a terrorist state

PS I do not think they are perfect but the circle is running and I do not fault Israel for retaliating.

I feel that in the interest of peace they should move back to the 67 war boundaries. Pull the settlements out. Then again you tend to lose territory when you attack a country and that country kicks your butt.

[MTAtech]

I'd like one example of when Israel intentionally murdered innocent civilians. Sure, innocents get killed when Israel goes after the terrorists - this is unfortunate but unavoidable also. However, this is not their intention.

On the other hand, when Palestinian bombers go into pizza parlors that have rows of baby carriages outside, murdering innocents is THEIR intention.

[MTAtech]

Epidemic,
I don't know what's so magic about the 1967 borders. In 1967, Israel had the 1967 borders and Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked them anyway. Asking Israel to go back to the 1967 borders is just a stepping stone to get Israel to go back to the 1947 borders.

Epidemic,

Israeli soldiers routinely kill Palestine children for throwing rocks at them You know that.

All I am saying is in times of war and bitter conflict, don't crib when the enemy rejoices at your misfortunes.

Of course, I hasten to add that rejoicing at such tragic events reflects on them. But it's inevitable when so much bad blood exists.

That's what I am saying.

[Redwolf]

It all depends on your point of veiw.

Objetively, Isreal is not a terrorist state. They do not actively employ terrorist tactics to lift religious, political, legal, or ANY ideology or person(s). Many arabs claim the US is being the terrorists. WE are not. We do not employ terrorist tactics.

Subjectively, Terrorism is the terror you feel before someone or you dies right there. Doesn't matter who's side you fight for.

During WWI and WWII, the Germans in teh army were not bad people. They simply faught for their country. The British were not bad people either in those wars. Nor were the Russians, Japanese, Italians, Polish, or any of the groups. Sure, some of these groups had governments that did bad things, and some with governments that did good things. But realize that the enemy you fight thinks he's every bit as right as you think you are. That is, of course, a fundamental flaw in democracy.

But I will defend democracy as the best government until someone comes up with a system of governemt that gives the same amount of individuality as democracy does without the flaws.

[uethello]

I'd like one example of when Israel intentionally murdered innocent civilians

I'm not going to post it here, but there's a link at ogrish. it's from 1-3-18. I'm afraid just this much information will get this post deleted if anybody sees the footage.

This isn't neccessarily representative of my views, I did however find it highly disturbing that something like that would happen. What would I do if somebody did that to someone in my family?

[Epidemic]

MTAtech,

I say 67 borders because it is a reasonable point. It gives a reasonable buffer between a proven enemy. But it is still a good faith gesture not a suicide pact. If they can play nice for perhaps 20 or 30 years then you go back to 47 borders. In either case the land should not be occupied by either group. merely a buffer between unfriendly neighbors.