Bull Fights in Spain

[ClubMed]

I've been watching this on TV for the past couple of days. I must say this is one of most the sickest, cruellest and primitive 'national sport' I have ever seen. People drink beer, laugh, eat and have a good time, while advanced, educated, sophisticated human beings torture and stab an animal to death.

The Spaniards should find some other 'hobby', perhaps knitting.

sorry,
/rant.

[OuTpaTienT]

I completely agree.

I understand it's deeply ingrained in their national heritage. But it's about time they start keeping that heritage alive and well by putting it where it belongs...in the history books.

It was a noble and brave "sport" in days of past. But today it's simply an inhumane, vile, and unnecessary torture of a living creature. They should be embarrassed that it's still endorsed and condoned.

[Toadman]

Well the bovines do get even in Pamplona with the annual Running of the Bulls.

[ZENYO]

That reminds me of a joke...

While vacationing in Spain a tourist enters a restaurant and is immediately shown to his table. As he browses the menu he notices a gentleman at a nearby table eating what appears to be two large brown balls. The tourist is very curious so he ask the waiter for the name of the dish.

"Oh my" the waiter exclaims. "This is our most prized culinary delight. Each day there is a bull fight. The matador bravely confronts the bull with his red cape. The bull charges him several times and each time the matador bravely escapes death. Eventually the bull fighter will stab the bull with his sword and kill him. It is at that precise moment that the balls of the bull are cut off and rushed to the kitchen of our restaurant. We prepare the dish with our best herbs and spices and serve it to one of my customers. "

The tourist is intrigued so he makes a reservation for the next serving of the bulls testicles. Promptly at 3pm sharp the next day the tourist arrives and escorted to a table near the window. Some complementary wine is brought to his table with a large bowl containing the balls. The tourist bites down and begins to slowly savor the meat. Within a few minutes the tourist finishes the meal and motions to the waiter. "I'm curious about something. Yesterday I noticed that the balls were so large but today the balls that I was served were very very small."

"Oh my," the waiter replied, "Sometimes the bull wins."

Sorry, If that was a thread crap...

For the record tough, I do agree with you. I don't mind the bull fighting part but I don't like the killing part.

[Epidemic]

Doh.

When it comes to animal cruelty I will defer to the people themselves to decide it is wrong or not.

I am sure there are some hindu folks who would say that walking through a park and stepping on an ant is competely the same as manslaughter.

Opinions are like a--holes every one has one and they usually stink.

I personally do not go for the whole bull fighting thing. But what about boxing that should go out.

Hockey, football, and about a million sports are violent and teach bad things as well as good.

When other peoples opinions start to be forced on others it gets a bit dangerous.

Killing a bull that way is probably alot like being taken down by a pack of dogs. Closest thing to how it would happen in the wild.

Oh well enough devils advocate. lets get rid of it.

[OuTpaTienT]

Actually it's not the killing part that is so bad. Animals are killed all the time, for food and otherwise. I don't think they should be killed except when necessary (food being one of those necessities) but at least they usually are put to death humanly. The death of a bull in a bull fight is a very long, drawn out, torturous and no question agonizing ordeal for the animal. It has no choice but to fight. And no hope of winning that fight. It just has to keep running back 'n forth, getting harpooned with heavy spears that have fishhook type barbs so they don't fall out. Plus it takes a 3 to 4 foot blade plunged into it's back every so often…until it finally dies. My understanding is it can take anywhere from under an hour to many, many hours before the animal is finally overcome with pain and exhaustion, and then slowly, death.

I equate it to the phenomenon of grown adults abusing (sometimes to death) helpless children. Both practices give me that sickening feeling that I'm witnessing the worst side of mankind.

[ZENYO]

Originally posted by OuTpaTienT
Animals are killed all the time, for food and otherwise. I don't think they should be killed except when necessary (food being one of those necessities) but at least they usually are put to death humanly.

I agree, I hunt, but I only kill what I eat.

I didn't realize that the bulls were actualy tortured through the whole match. I thought they were just killed at the end. Come to think of it, I've never seen a bull fight excpet for the bugs bunny bull fight.

[Epidemic]

I am inclined to agree but I do not want someone coming to america and saying bow hunting is unusually cruel. The animal is quite likely to run off injured and suffer horribly.

They would have a point. In fact to make all of hunting better they should attach cameras to your rifle scope and after a good hunt you show the pictures of the kills and he brings out humanely killed ranch grown deer.

Instead of a hunting license you would just pay the farmer for the meat.

[daveleau]

I do not condone animal torture. While I believe hunting (bow or gun) and fishing are perfectly acceptable, I think Bull fights are very cruel.

[Epidemic]

Dave so hooking a fish in the gut and letting him pull with his euvula for 20 minutes while you bring him on board is not torture. PS I love to fish. But can you understand that it is torture by some peoples views. PETA.

Bow hunting is the same thing Stab a creature from 50 yards arrow deflects off a branch and poof you have a gut shot. The animal runs around for 3 weeks rotting from the inside with every branch hitting the aluminum shaft of the arrow tearing through the putrifying flesh. After those weeks go by the animal falls and the rats chew on its dying body starting with the genetiles.

At least the bull only suffers for an hour or so. And sometimes the bull fighter suffers more.

Animals are definitely different from humans. I think it is because they to not think past and future. A dog gets injured it chews off the leg and if it is luck it continues to live quite well. A human does this and thinks man I will never play baseball again or be able to teach my son how to run. When a ox is taken down by a pack of wolfs they rip it apart from the soft parts first after 20 to 30 minutes of wearing it down in a life and death struggle. During this whole time they do not cry out or beg for mercy.

When it comes to animal cruelty as it exists in other countries I have to say that it is not my place to choose.

Ps have you ever seen them kosher a cow. They take a machette like knife and pull it through the cows neck Moo gurgle moo gurgle as the rabi bobs back and forth praying. Icky.