??? Is the world better off with out saddam and like dictators???

[Epidemic]

If the USA/UN were to declare war on all the dictators and war lords in the world would the people living in those countries be better off? Of course with the understanding that nation building were to follow.

People of many nations liberated from tyrany do not look at the collateral damage as a horror when compared with the life lead at the hands of a cruel dictator. At least historically speaking.

So would the world be better off if all the governments of the "Free world" banded together and blasted all countries who did not have basic human rights for it's people?

[RayH]

The only dictator trying to declare war on the world is Bush!

[Epidemic]

Ray play along. Answer the question honestly instead of trying to push your hatred for President George Bush.

Do you think that saddam is the world or the combination of Iraq and North Korea is the entire world?

I am just curious as to whether you believe that or are you simply being melodramatic?

The question was not about Bush as much as what is the 21st century world responsible for. I believe the question is valid so why not answer it?

I agree 100% with RayH. GWB seems to be the only person in the world actively plotting war against other people.

At least he should keep quiet about it and do it silently.

But he wants to announce everything to the world.

Dunno why.

Maybe oil.

Maybe re-election. After all, what other interest/agenda does he have to focus on?

Who knows!!

[Epidemic]

So you do not believe the world has an obligation to help the defenseless?

Please do not use George Bush in the responses. I am speaking of the world and the UN's obligation to free oppressed peoples or to do nothing.

Does the world have an obligation to clean up house or not? should a dictator be able to do what ever he wants with in his own population with out world action? If not what is the point where action should be taken?

Should the world clean up things in the US?

After all there's a lot going on here too.

Should the Europeans/Canadians/Asians send inspection teams to see what the CIA and other Government agencies are up to?

Because you can't have two set of rules. One you us and one for teh world.

If you want the World to judge others, then you must accept the world judging you too.

Sorry to include GWB in this but he seems to have emerged as a self-styled champion of peoples' rights.

[Epidemic]

Well you can use thresholds to determine the trigger for the action.

So in that you can have rules for both.

If you rule by intimidation and cruelty and murder your citizens with out color of law you are subject to world wide correction.

This goes for israel as well.

However if palestine keeps bombing either the UN steps in or israel does.

As for the good old USA poking their nose in all around the globe. They would do that under the UN in this proposed situation. Hence there would no longer be a need for the US world police to use the CIA to play these games.

There would not be rebels running around in argentina or beleze because their cruel government would have been toppled by the UN. Basically the people could come to the UN and post their grievence and the UN would act on it if a government had exceeded it's bounds.

[ryogenetic]

Epidemic you are killing me

If you rule by intimidation and cruelty and murder your citizens with out color of law you are subject to world wide correction

I will for arguments sake not laugh to much. I can only assume you mean Saddam with this statement? Lets look at some history and figure out some facts.... from 1979 until 1987 Iraq was at war with Iran. (did not grow much in this time) But from 1987 till 1989 Iraq had a growth in GDP of 30%. After the Gulf War and imbargos/UN sanctions the GDP fell 29%. So who is intimidating who? Who is being Cruel? It would seem that the UN is the cause for all the suffering in Iraq. Second to this Iraq likes Saddam and he keeps the factions of the country in line and stablizes the whole region. Not just Iraq would be effected if Saddam were removed. Let us not forget the Kurds in the north of Iraq a faction not unlike the palestinines (sp) That also reside in Iran and Turkey. To sumise this point taking out Saddam would collapse the region. Something that the US indpendantly could not handle.

As for the good old USA poking their nose in all around the globe. They would do that under the UN in this proposed situation. Hence there would no longer be a need for the US world police to use the CIA to play these games.

Just who do you think is going to enforce the UN resolutions? They dont have a standing army....

Food for thought


RYO

[PSU2Fan]

Hey Ep,
sorry but I could not vote in t his one, you don't have any good choices. Though you have 4 votes, you didn't list enough alternatives.

[Epidemic]

First off I am not talking specifically about iraq. Nor am I talking about the toothless UN as it were.

My statement is clear and self evident. Does the world have a right/obligation to residents of this planet, to free them from the tyrany of dictators and war lords. In the 21st century should we (the world) allow governments to rule their people by fear and intimidation. Should the world intervene and remove a dictator who tests weapons of mass destruction on his people for instance. In this case I am speaking of the 1988 gas attacks on the kurd civillians (purely as an example).

You can use any or all for the example haiti, somalia, Iraq, Iran, saudi arabia, kosavo or ...

Does the world have an obligation to correct the injustices.

GDP is not an example of Injustices. Government sanctioned rape, torture, intimidation, murder, surpression, ... are examples of targets infractions for the United Federation of Nations.