why?

[Creatures]

Hi there

why has got america so much gun murderers? (last year ca. 11'000)
and other countries not so much like:
australia (ca. 80) <- not sure anymore
Canada (36)
Germany(136)

could someone compare this count to their population?
i think 11'000 is too much so what is the problem?
are there more weapons?
more brutal games?
more brutal movies?

and what is the NRA? (i just know that they shoot around but i dont know for what )

thanks
Creatures

[Bob The Great]

well the NRA here in USA is National Rifle Association. They are a group that is attempting to keep peoples rights to bear arms. They promote gun safety, and programs to help teach people about guns.

I'm not sure why we have that many more murders that are gun related. I'd actually never seen those numbers before. Its kinda weird Canada has so few compaired with the US.

If anything guns allow for a quick way to get people. If we were to outlaw them I think murders might go down, but the gruesomeness and distructiveness of crimes I believe would go up. More and more people would be turning to more viloint forms of revenge or way to display their anger with people. I believe it is a problem at the core of the American culture where the fast and easy way is the way to the top. In a culture where we are dependent on pills to cure all our problems we have turned our eyes from others and onto ourselves. We are so cought up with ourselves we don't think about others enough and so we have all these murders. It's simply a problem with people not thinking enough.

[Blood_Luster]

Because the government hasn't done enough to prevent it.

Canada is more civil IMO, Bob.

[Epidemic]

Picking gun murders is an odd thing to do. Being dead by someone else’s hand is the bigger problem. So murder by gun is not the statistic I am interested in. In fact I would definitely rather be killed quickly by a gun than stabbed or beaten to death with a banana.

Why is murder by gun so high in the US compared with those countries. Different cultural dynamics in place here in the USA.

We have a destructive race dynamic, which says that you can not ever get out of poverty and that all of the majority class wants you dead. This makes for desperation, despair, coupled with poverty and a culture, which prizes macho bravado. This leads to violence of all types. Not to say this is exclusively a race thing but a huge percentage of it is happening in the minority communities.

Generally the US is also losing such values as self reliance, and personal accountability (the ME ME ME generation) which leads to all sorts problems.

Generally If guns were eliminated tomorrow murder would stay close to the same IMO. The number of dead would be replaced with people in a persistent vegetative state after being beaten beyond repair by people who want what is not theirs.

I hope to see initiatives in the near future to go away from Me me me itise and that community leaders will stop trying to put political rhetoric ahead of true reform. The Jesse Jacksons of the world need to stop creating a feeling of hopelessness and start actually highlighting the problems in order of severity. Internal crime is way more personally destructive than any outside source acting on the minority community IMO. Not to say that racism is dead but it is more sickly than other dynamics. The vast majority of white America does not have it in for people of color. Yet the vast majority of people of color believe it to be the opposite.

I think this is a great recipe for disaster. I think the media feeds the feeling of isolation and separation. Even worse I think the media continues to selectively ignore the biggest problems while beating the less critical problems. True racism is not the cause of the woes in the minority community. I see evidence to this every day. The roots of it are in racism but the cause of it now is internal cultural problems IMO.

[Bob The Great]

Blood Luster, I suddenly realized I did sound like I was picking on Canada. Though it does take the brunt of many of my jokes, its a cool place. Just Canada is a very closly tied country to America. Perhaps my perspective is scewed as I'm living in a border town.

I aggree whole heartidly with what you say Epidemic! It is this countries values and focus that needs to change, not the amount of weapons we have. Sure we shouldn't just hand them out, their should be some very strict guidlines that will hopefully keep a few guns out of peoples hands that would use them unwisely, but it is the people and not the guns that are commiting these killings.

[Sweet]

I think it is entirely wound up with the drug trade. I watch the local news everyday and everyday there is a death. It sickens me. There are certain areas in a big city that are just magnets for murder.

too many times a stray bullitt will KILL a young innocent child in the path.

maybe there ought to be gun free zones in some cities.

[Mr. Goodbytes]

Canada is more civil IMO, Bob.

Yeah, they're just the moral superpower in the Western Hemisphere.

Where'd ya get your stats? And how many gun deaths in Mexico?

I believe that the root ultimately lies in drugs, more than anything else. Which is why I ask of Mexico. You see, they are closer...

[daveleau]

The NRA is a group that promotes gun safety and gun rights. The US is based on our Constitution which ensures our rights as Americans and it has Amendments which are added as the government deems necessary. The first 10 such Amendments are called the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment ensures the right to keep and bear arms (guns). The NRA is a moderate group (conservative but moderate compared to many gun lobbyist in the country) whose main purpose is to make sure our rights for gun ownership are not taken away and to ensure that people are educated about guns and gun safety.

Why is there gun violence?

There are so many murders because of the break down of the ideas of right and wrong by some members of society. Arguably, there is going to be more crime in wealthy nations, and the US is one of the wealthiest. Gun confiscation has occurred in many countries, of which England and Australia are two. It is debatable as to what extent gun crime occurs in these nations. There is much data to show that crime in these nations has one up dramatically since these confiscations began. For more info, I would highly suggest reading or looking over some books that argue for gun rights, since you will not se this on television, which is the main form of info for people (the media is highly biased against guns in general). Two I would recommend are:

The Seven Myths of Gun Control, by Richard Poe - this book debunks the top 7 myths of how gun control is supposed to work

More Guns, Less Crime, by John Lott - This book is by a Yale Economist who was unbiased going in. He did decades worth of study and ended up buying a 9mm after finishing the book. He previously did not own a gun. This is one telling points of this book. He puts forth tons of unbiased data for anyone to look over and is the premier book on why guns are needed for self-defense and why concealed weapon laws work in a society where guns are present.


One thing behind those statistics is that they do not differentiate between defensive use by home owners or by police. They lump everything into "murders" to play on the sympathies of the citizen.

[daveleau]

Originally posted by Sweet
too many times a stray bullitt will KILL a young innocent child in the path.

The media plays on your emotions. They want guns banned because they don't know the truth and they are afraid. Their fear is based on ignorance of guns. Accidental shootings occurs very rarely. Violence with guns rarely takes an unintended target, despite what you see in the movies. The target may be at the end of a person trying to stop violence (defensive use) or one trying to create violence (offensive use). The only ones you see on TV are the ones that create violence. They do this to perpetuate this myth. The above stated books in my post before this will show you all the facts you need to know.