Bible question - Page 3

mad1 · 01-06-2003, 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by osprey4
If baptism is required to be saved, then no one who was not baptized was saved. This is obviously wrong (OT saints, the thief on the cross to cite two examples), therefore baptism is not required to be saved.

Salvation comes by genuine repentence (realizing you are a sinner) and acknowledgement (faith) of the need for Christ as one's Savior and Lord.

Baptism is a public act of identification with Christ and His church.

Baptism is required to be saved!

"Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"

Brainchild · 01-06-2003, 07:37 AM

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"Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"

That verse says he that believes,and is baptized shall be saved
But if you don't "believe" you shall be damned.
Again believing the requirement for salvation.I think baptisim is an important part of salvation, but you must be saved first.
Can you go to heaven without being baptized, I think so, but you must be saved to get there.
I agree with Dave, I think you should pray about this,and let God direct you in how you should believe.

BC
Mad1 YGPM

mad1 · 01-06-2003, 08:15 AM

To be saved one has to be baptised, believe in god and renounce your sins.

Brainchild ygpm.

daveleau · 01-06-2003, 12:02 PM

Baptised in the Holy Spirit...

Rituals mean nothing as stated above.

Detritus · 01-06-2003, 12:25 PM

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To be saved one has to be baptised, believe in god and renounce your sins.

Actually in my mind the only requirement is belief in Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and realizing that you are a sinner. Both of these things are usually the same step... yet again I agree with daveleau... when you are baptized in the Holy Spirit that causes the above realizations.

daveleau · 01-06-2003, 01:23 PM

My wife just explained something to me that makes a lot of sense too. We are not required to be baptized in water for salvation, but we do it out of obedience to the Word. The Bible tells us to do many things, but the only ones that are mandatory for Salvation are the acceptance of Jesus as out personal Saviour and baptism by the Holy Spirit, which occurs as a result of the first requirement. The rest we follow out of obedience and love after being Saved.

Brainchild · 01-06-2003, 02:19 PM

Well if nothing else, this thread has sent me back to study the issue in detail.I had always believed/been taught that baptizim wasn't "mandatory", but I think a little more thought/prayer/study is called for. So at the very least mad1 has stirred up a good controversy.
Hopefully I'll learn something

sharder8 · 01-07-2003, 12:59 AM

As to the question of being able to enter the kingdom of heaven and the requirment of being baptized in the water, re-read John 3:5.

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Jesus answered in John 3:5, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Harder

01-07-2003, 01:01 AM

Have you ever been baptized in the Holy Spirit? It doesn't come as easy as the water part.

sharder8 · 01-07-2003, 01:32 AM

Let me clarify -- The way I was brought up and learned it, there is 2 parts. These are pointed out in John 3:3, in which Jesus stated you can not see the kingdom of God unless you are born again. And in John 3:5 Jesus stated you can not enter the kingdom of God unless you are born of the water (baptized) and the Spirit (saved through salvation).

Now at this point and after saying this, it gets fuzzy in my mind. For instance --

If you are saved, but not baptized, John 3:3 says you can see the kingdom of Heaven.

But . . . . . . .

Unless you are saved and baptized, John 3:5 says you can not enter the kingdom of Heaven.

So,

A. Can you go to Heaven without being baptized?

B. Can you enter the kindom of heaven without being baptized?

Harder