Gun control advocates have no case.

[willy_ph]

MrBaseball, can you provide me with a link to these stats?

[daveleau]

They're (guns and doctors) only lethal when there's an accident.

Actually, vehicular homicide is a common crime. As for doctors, there have been occasions of criminal intent as well, although not as widespread.


A few good (& irrefutable) statements:

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

America is safer when the criminals do not know who is armed.

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than all of my guns put together.

[ClubMed]

People who love and cherish guns and the art or sport, of shooting should be all for educated gun control. Would you want any idiot with a half a brain to be able to buy a Glock so he or she can brag with it, scare people with it, commit crimes with it, use it to abuse people and the law and by doing this turn the object of your passion into a symbol of skepsis, fear, problems and destruction?

I like guns very much, I especially like the art of shooting, I first came into touch with it while doing my military service, I started in the infantry and so had access to the STG 77 a very fine device.

I then was sent to the military medical school to become medic where I had access to a Glock 17. I loved target practice, I enjoyed cleaning the gun and engaged in many funny pseudo-tournaments with my friends to see who could take it apart and put it back together again blind folded, I'm sure nearly everyone in any army has attempted this.

However at the same time, I am all for educated gun control, because I do not want guns to be easily available to just anyone. Yes there will be black sheep, and yes there will be a number of guns available in the black market that cannot be controlled. But I would like to see the majority of guns put in the right hands, to prevent or make harder, the ability to use them to massacre school kids, and steal and kill.

There is nothing wrong with educated gun control, there is something wrong with blind or emotional gun control. Gun control already exists in a certain form. Effort needs to be put into fine tuning this control.

I would not like to live in a community that wants blind ownership of guns, and I also don't want to live in a community that prevents total ownership of guns.

I would like to see a balance. I would like educated gun ownership and educated gun control. So that I may pursue this passion without having to worry about the image and reputation that it might inherit from the actions of people who do not deserve to hold guns.

In the past, amongst tribes and clans young men were given weapons when they had proven their maturity and strength. Today, although we don’t live in tribes and clans, but in advanced cities it is no different, to me at least.

Gun control is good when applied by people with brains. So instead of trying to fight gun control and never move on or improve the situation one can try and help those who are in doubt so that they may make the right decisions.

No system of control is 100% full-proof or 100% perfect. but some systems are more perfect than others.

[Redwolf]

Exactly Clubmed.

Banning all guns is not a good thing.

But then agian, giving a derranged guy a gun isn't smart.

[pickel]

A doctor ruined my kidneys.
My guns haven't hurt a soul..unless needed for self-defense.

[MrBaseball]

Originally posted by willy_ph
MrBaseball, can you provide me with a link to these stats?

I got all this info from another message board I visit. Copy and pasted basically. You want a link to it?

[willy_ph]

Yeah, it would be nice to see where the stats are coming from originally.

[MrBaseball]

http://www.huntingbbs.com (hunting forums )

Also, I've seen similar stats and analogies on different pro-gun sites.

[Epidemic]

CM,

the only probs I have with gun control as it were is the fact that the people pushing for it are really pushing for incremental gun elimination.

The laws are already on the books in abundance. You do not need more laws.

20,000 gun laws in the US at last look. you need the 10 I specified in previous posts.

1) do not use gun to murder.
2) do not use gun to intimidate.
3) do not sell guns to people with mind altering diseases.
4) do not sell guns to proven violent offenders.
5) do not sell guns to people who are convicted of mind altering drug use. (re-evaluation 5 or 10 years post conviction)
6) do not sell guns to minors.

A few others and you have it covered.

enforce those laws with stiff penalties and you have a solid gun control plan.

The large capacity laws are rediculous. First off you can still sell ones made prior to the law so you can still acquire them with ease. Secondly assault weapons (as they call them) are responsible for so few incidents as to be inconsequential.

In closing, gun control is already more than complete except for enforcement.

[Wizzard~Of~Ozz]

the reality is if we did not have guns we would use knives swords rocks or anything else guns just make it easy

When is the last time a rock or knife went off while a child had it in thier hands?

My largest complaint to all of this is, a majority of the people who own guns do NOT need them for any purpose.

Could you also include the statistics for non-accidental fatalities for all of the info. I can tell these statistics come from a very biased source, similar to the # of people who die from smoking, I think this statistic includes the people who were smoking when they were shot or died in some other accident.