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Old 12-18-2002, 09:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Strange ehhh.

This is an amazing list. I would like to see one compared to any other president. Just to know if this is unusual or just what public life is for the presidents of the USA.

Specifically the people who levied charges or were wittnesses in legal proceeding agains the sitting presidents.

Personally I can't (don't want to) believe that any sitting president would do any of this stuff. But it is pretty interesting though.

Just think what are the odds of one person being related to so much and not being involved. he should play the lottery

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Cl...ad_friends.htm

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law Firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled suicide. He also had another 22 gunshot wound in the neck. The gunshot wound to the head was of larger caliber and found still in his hand!!

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death, Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser - Major players in the Clinton fund-raising organization. Died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton's a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson. Died in May 1994. She was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide although there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co- defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater. Died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor. One of Clinton's last duties as Governor of Arkansas was to pardon Dan Lassater convicted on over a hundred drug charges.

Florence Martin - Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one-car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington D.C. apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash. Dr.

Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser. Died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:
Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988.

Keith McMaskle - Died of 113 stabbed wounds, November 1988.

Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.



THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan


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Old 12-18-2002, 10:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah, yeah, Epidemic. Try the various sites about the JFK assassination conspiracy, if you want similar ones.

If you want to see most of this list debunked, I suggest you try Google. "Clinton death conspiracy" will point you in the right direction for a start.
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Old 12-18-2002, 10:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The debunking I find with that thread is debunkable.

The truely amazing thing is how many of these people had some sort of ax to grind with him. What are the odds that someone with an ax to grind with you out of a thousand will meed violent ends under questionable circumstances.

If the descriptions are accurate then the odds are astronomical.

Like I said I just find it interesting. I still have a hard time believing that a president of the US would do such things.
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Old 12-18-2002, 10:48 AM   #4 (permalink)
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http://www.rumorsrumorsrumors.com/clinton.cfm

http://www.nmia.com/~lhxavier/hoaxmine.htm

Funny how the NewYorkTimes, WashingtonPost, ChicagoTribune... and countless other TopSourceCredible Newspapers dont investigate and substantiate such internet tabloid publications.

Man, whats wrong with them? Stories that Make Careers and could win Nobel Prizes going to waste. Where's all the Woodward and Bernsteins out there?

They must be working for the www.TourBus.com .

Or... is it possibly true ?

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Old 12-18-2002, 11:01 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Epidemic, if I had some time, I'd prolly be able to come up with a more scandalous list on the web on the Bush family, including GBW and their wheeling-dealing with big oil money in Texas.

But I don't have the time today.
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Old 12-18-2002, 11:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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read my post again mortis.

The debunking needs debunking.

The odds are staggering IMO.

I wonder how the numbers stack up now with clinton not defending himself anylonger.

OMG ya know what. Me thinks that hillary the self proclaimed b!tch is actually the one who had all the people murdered in her mad attempt to achive political office. Bill is innocent.
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Old 12-18-2002, 11:04 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm sure it's either a vast right wing conspiracy or just a coincidence. I mean, people die all the time, right?

By the way, this board wouldn't be nearly as much fun without Theophylact. He's the Alan Colmes of IMO Community.
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Old 12-18-2002, 11:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I was typing as you posted... sorry. I agree- but Its all ridiculous.

There are many out there who do this independent investigation stuff as a profession and probably salivate at the possibility of truth to such coincedence. But it remains that, coincidence and statistical probability until someone proves otherwise.

"Haters" can put together any conspiracy they want- there is enough info out there to fuel them aplenty and to make it possible- for any side or position. But it remains conjecture until proven otherwise- the proving part difficult... but some are just plain silly .

Molly Ivins' Books are a Good Example. I have read a lot of her stuff- she targets the Bush Family. Although she makes some interesting points and connections... None of the Bushes are Locked Up . If an ounce of what she sometimes writes is true and Provable... The current Presidency would be governed from a JailCell, not the oval office. I take it all with a Grain of Salt until proven to be pepper.

EDIT: It wasnt Hillary, their Daughter!

EDIT2: I am not OurRight ProClinton or ProBush... ProDemocrat (although I tend to lean toward Democratic Policy) or ProRepublican... I am not Anti any of them either... And I certainly was not defending Clinton or anything he has or may have done or been involved in .

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Old 12-18-2002, 11:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Epidemic, Mortis makes a good and interesting point.

You heard the old one about stowing thrones in Glass Houses......
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Old 12-18-2002, 01:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
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You heard the old one about stowing thrones in Glass Houses...... [/B]
HAHA I had never heard that one, S.

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