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11-27-2002, 04:56 AM
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what happened to switzerland!!
Hi there,
last Sunday there was a vote on asylum in switzerland, they wanted to stop that and reduce the number of asylum seekers in switzerland, and the nation voted NO with 51.1 %  what happened to switzerland?? that was just enough!
but now they're gonna count the votes again à la Bush vs. Gore!
what do you think about this vote??
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11-27-2002, 04:58 AM
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What's the problem? If the people vote 'NO' then it's NO right? (I mean it's peoples choice)
You're not happy with the outcome?
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11-27-2002, 05:11 AM
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i'm not happy that there're so many people who voted for YES!! and that they gonna count them again!
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11-27-2002, 05:15 AM
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Ah I get what you mean now. I have mixed feelings about this issue.
On the one hand, it is the mark of a truly refined society to take up people who would be wronged in other parts of the world and to to protect them and try to integrate them into it's society.
On the other hand this is not always possible, it doesn't always work and by allowing too many people to enter without a certain degree of control it might harm the protecting nation.
I am one of those people who would vote in favour of granting asylum but with a level of control.
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11-27-2002, 05:29 AM
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but with a level of control.
| yes but we have already such a system, and we let them in, help them and then we send them back when their home is secure!
something like this!
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11-27-2002, 05:38 AM
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How many imigrants do you get a year creatures?
and what is your population?
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11-27-2002, 05:43 AM
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population is around 7'600'000 i think but i'm not sure but i dont have the numbers for the imigrants wait gonna try to find them!
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11-27-2002, 05:51 AM
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Die hohe Attraktivität der Schweiz für Scheinflüchtlinge und illegale Einwanderer hat alarmierende Konsequenzen: Gegenüber der Vorjahresperiode hat die Zahl der Asylgesuche in der ersten Hälfte des Jahres 2002 um 28,4 Prozent zugenommen. Jeden Tag werden rund 160 neue Gesuche gestellt. Die Anerkennungsquote liegt unter 10 Prozent, das heisst: Nicht einmal jeder zehnte Asylbewerber ist tatsächlich ein Flüchtling. Viele werden straffällig, viele betätigen sich im Drogenhandel - neuerdings immer mehr junge Männer aus Schwarzafrika.
Im Zeitraum 1994*2001 wurden in der Schweiz pro 10'000 Einwohner 279 Asylgesuche gestellt. In Holland waren es 188, in Belgien 170, in Österreich 132, in Schweden 120, in Norwegen 118, in Däne- mark 106, in Deutschland 102, in Grossbritannien 84, in Frankreich 38 und in Finnland 24. Italien erscheint nicht einmal in dieser Statistik, weil Italien eigentlich nur ein «Transit-Asylrecht» praktiziert: Nach 45 Tagen Aufenthalt werden die ohnehin minimalen staatlichen Fürsorgeleistungen an Flüchtlinge vollständig gestoppt. Eine zwar indirekte, aber äusserst wirksame Aufforderung an die Asylanten, spätestens nach dieser Frist über die Grenze in die Schweiz zu gelangen.
Ende Juni 2002 hielten sich rund 93'000 «Personen des Asylbereichs» in unserem Land auf. Korrekter- weise müssen dazu noch jene 41'500 gezählt werden, die ab dem Jahr 2000 aus der Asylstatistik herausgenommen wurden, weil deren Aufenthalt jetzt «ausländerrechtlich» geregelt wird. Es handelt sich um sogenannt «humanitäre und andere fremdenpolizeiliche» - also nicht mehr asylrechtliche - «Regelungen». Die Statistik macht¹s möglich!
| so that means per day 160 want to come in switzerland but only 10 % can come in!
i think per year 93'000 but they who came in last year are not in the asylum statistics and they are more than 41'500
i think the numbers are correct but i dont like this text!
Clubmed could you try the text to translate (not the whole text just the important things! and tell me if i'm not right!!)
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11-27-2002, 06:34 AM
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I hate to tell you this, Creatures, but during the Hitler period Switzerland sent a lot of Jewish refugees back to Germany, where most of them died. The current, more liberal policy was partly a result of being ashamed about that. But a sense of shame lasts only just so long.
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11-27-2002, 07:11 AM
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The shame should only last so long. You must judge people of today by what they do. Not so much by what their ancestors did. All in all a huge minority of the population is comprised of those who did wrong.
Conversely you must keep a weather eye out for the patterns that lead up to the wrong.
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