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Old 11-25-2002, 08:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Parents, Children, Teachers, Where do we stand?

Well I can't think of a title as of yet. So will type to start. I really don't know how to start this one. I have been in private discussion with a fellow member discussing our children and the school system. So I guess I will just start off by telling ya all what happened.

Well kids had parent/teacher conferences last friday. Academically both of my children are excelling. however my son's teacher really ticked me off. She just glaced over the academics portion of the conference and then spent the rest of the time telling me that she thinks my son is either a) ADHD b) oppositional defieant c) Both. I was totally flabbergasted and instantly getting in a really pissy mood. So I just let them speak thier piece and stated that he doesn't display that at home. I wasn't about to state more of my own opionions as of yet because I needed to think. This is a total shock to me and I know for a F A C T that my son is neigher of those things. My daughter yes been long known that she is adhd but I don't treat my child as with disorder. I treat her like normal child just like my son. Yes both kids are very energitic to thier advantage I belive. my daugher little more than my son, however my son does NOT have attention problems and they are insisting that he has. well anyways i got home and have had a couple days to cool off and got to looking at his report and its sooo contradictory to what they are saying. its strange. I am going to retailiate his progress report as nothing is jiving at all. it made me mad cuz she was trying to diangonsi my kid and stating that I need to medicate my child and as soon as possible. They did ask if they can have him evaluated by the school phyc. I said fine go ahead you ain't gonna find that. I will also get thier report retailiated as well. So no problem.

Im still mad. I just now got back from dropping the kids off at Karate, I spoke with the instructor and told him what happened. he said, schools are doing that too much, i got a few other parents having the same problem right now. im like What? are you serious, he said ya, so he is gonna get me some info to go see someone to retailate the schools reports or something er other like that I don't know. anyways, he also mentioned that any child that is on medication or is adhd that they can get additional government funding and thus is why thier is soo many parents having to deal with this.... Schools want more money. of course the PDX schools here are flat ass broke.

not only that.........its always been my phlosiphy (sp?) that teachers are great people, I have met some really good teachers in the school system and then some not so good. I do respect school teachers, however they do get on my bad side when they try and diansos my child with some disorder or something when I clearly know its not true. I get really tired of teachers trying to tack on a label to my children for whatever reasons. Teachers are trained to teach children writing, math, social scinces, reading, art and all those good things. Teachers ARE NOT TRAINED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS! and I really wish they would stop acting like a freaking doctor!

im ranting and rambling, im sorry, i guess i still haven't cooled down enough. :d

What is your experiences with your children. do you ever go through something like this?

If yes how have you handled your sitution?

Is it true that schools get more funding from the government with each child with a diagnosis and/or on medication?

Why do parents seem to be loosing more and more rights with thier children in the public school systems.

Do you think teachers should only focus on the academics of schooling or focus on academics and socialibility?

Another sore spot for the PDX schools are is that they don't have no funding righ tnow and hopefully mesaure 28 will pass as it will be asking the working class for more taxes out of state taxes to help with public schools. To be honest its not gonna fly. Polls already state that and that vote is in january and guess who gets the brunt of it?

The elderly that are already retired and on the PERS retirement funds. Yup they are gonna snatch a bunch of dollares from our elders. That makes me boiling mad. Why is it the elders and the children always have to suffer? Why? And to top it off that if measure 28 don't pass the PDX school district will also chop out a minumun of 15 days of the school year out and possibley up to 19 days cut.

okay i'll shut up. i gotta pick up my kids.


I can't think of any approperate title. this covers about 3 different issues. sorry.

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Old 11-25-2002, 08:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've always been perplexed with ADHD and all these other attention disorders. When I was in school you sat still and paid attention. If you didn't, you got sent to the principal's office and you caught hell when your Mom came to pick you up. Fast forward to the "Never spank your kid" era and every third kid is on some sort of drug to keep them in line while they're at school. It's absolutely horrifying how many kids are on these drugs. Is it all really necessary? I don't think so.

I realize teachers have a really tough time of it now because parents won't discipline their kids and they'll sue the school if the school tries to. But drugs aren't the answer.
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Old 11-25-2002, 08:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Teachers need to learn that they are not doctors. I wonder how many of this teacher's other students she labeled as ADHD? My son was labeled ADLD by his school for years. It was terrible. Nothing we did would help. Finally we found a psychologist that said he has mild depression and put him on Effexor. He's been great ever since. But I have a feeling most kids labeled ADHD are really just bored. Teachers just want them drugged to make their job easier. I feel your pain on that one.
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Old 11-25-2002, 08:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Honestly, it is doctors and teachers who are doping our children by telling them that their normal childhood angst is a disorder. A tremendous amount of children are "ADHD" and are on Amphetamines (ritalin and other similar medications) and I am very afraid of what the long term ramifications are going to be considering there is some correlation to teen/adult violence in regards to amphetamine over-prescription in children. I think it is appalling that children are being referred by teachers to doctors who allow the flow of these MIND ALTERING drugs to reach our children.

Did you know that you are disqualified from military service if you have taken ritalin and other drugs like it? The same surely goes for FBI/CIA work. What else will these children be limited in in their futures because children are not allowed to act like children?

Ugh!!!

Neo, you sound involved in your children's lives, which is so awesome (to be fully clear, my following comments are NOT about you,. but are about parents not like you). My mind wanders to those other parents who are NOT involved and whose children are not taught how to act. These children are often seen as having mental disorders instead of seeing the real issue...the children are lacking parental guidance, structure and discipline (not spankings. per se, but general discipline).

Teachers who recommend their students started on drugs, the enabling parents, and ignorant passive doctors who wantonly administer this (mostly) needless medication are going to be a severe problem in the coming future.
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But I have a feeling most kids labeled ADHD are really just bored.
Exactly! That is the case with my son, academcialy his scores are one of the top students in the class acemically and they think he is adhd cuz he always wants to get up and do something else and he hurries through his homework but completes it. He is FREAKING Bored! the classes are not challenging enough for him. He can do my daughtes 3rd grade math assignments without any help at all. and he is in 1st grade, both of my kids have been academicallly high acheivers in class at an too easy of pace.

I think they are mistaking his boredom for some label. Its frusterating because its not fair.

I also agree with the displine now, its such an iffy sitution and that is another entire thread itself.

Was funny my daughters teacher in parent/conferences stated that my daughter likes to lean back in her chair, and i said that is correct. so take away her chair for 5 minutes and make her stand and do her work or whatever it is she is doing then if she does it again take her chair away again, she will catch on, I do this at home and she does not lean back at home becaquse she knows I will make her stand!

The teachers jaw was about 3 feet long like, my gawd I can't belive you do that. Hellooooooooooooooo Wake up!! its called disipline.

I think some teachers are too passive in classes meaning they tell a student not to do something and then don't follow through. I have stressed to the teachers the importance of following through what you say or kids will do it again and again and again knowing they can get away with it.
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Old 11-25-2002, 09:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
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They put all levels of students into the same class and this is what they get... Our state completely abolished class levels. There is no longer aboive average, average and remedial. It is all one class and it is dragging down the better students and ruining them. Boredom is no reason to drug children. I totally agree!
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Boy, Neo, I can sure sympathise. Raising a coupla' kids myself, I went through the school "system" and was appalled at the number of so-called "teachers" who just really don't give a damn. They just want to get through the day...

[SARCASM] Oh, dear, a gifted child who gets bored out of his/her mind at the repititious and menial challenges? Well DRUG THAT KID!!![/SARCASM]

The really GOOD teachers distinguished themselves immediately.

A major clue for me was that they thought of themselves as TEACHERS! Not behavior modification scientists! The GOOD ones ALWAYS wanted to talk about parent-teacher strategies to improve the child's education.

The a-holes only wanted to talk about supposed psych crap and possible medication. Beware of these creeps, they are not Professionals! (But I think you know that already. )

There have been some darn good responses on this thread, hope you will take them to heart.
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They put all levels of students into the same class and this is what they get... Our state completely abolished class levels. There is no longer aboive average, average and remedial. It is all one class and it is dragging down the better students and ruining them. Boredom is no reason to drug children. I totally agree!
*jumping up and down*

YES!! YES!!
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Old 11-25-2002, 09:12 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't agree with a teacher specifically diagnosing a kid with some sort of disorder. However, I have absolutely no problem with a teacher pointing out that there may be a problem, but making a general observation or suggestion..

I do, however, take issue to parents that like to think they know exactly what is going on at school. Unless you're there at least 75% of the time, you really have no idea what is going on. Kids are going to act differently at school than at home, and that is to be expected. And that is significant, considering that school is a 6 hour thing on a daily basis.

There's going to be teachers that have no idea what they're doing, and/or really shouldn't have gone into the teaching profession. My suggestion is to take a rational approach to this teacher that is giving you problems. You're not pleading your case to a judge. Let them know your opinion on the issue, and make a final decision that you feel is right.

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Well, Brandon, I take your point.

However, to suggest that a parent has to be there all that time is, IMO, leading the argument in an erroneous direction...we all have to survive as a society, parents, teachers, and children too. And the sooner the kids learn this, the better.

The parent's job (in this regard) is to enforce the viewpoint that mediocre so-called "teachers" are on limited time, career-wise. In other words, we have to make judgements. Not easy, but worth it. There are real creeps plying the teaching trade, perhaps you have run across a few? I sure have.

I never had any problem with the many magnificent, truly dedicated Teachers that I ran across as a student, and the ones that I worked with as my daughters were growing up.

You can SENSE them. (See my post above.)
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